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Home My WebLink About2006 Plumbing Board Minutes S I G b-PARTMENT OF PL;-ANING & NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT " 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing, MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 Ic H I G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE Virg Bernero, Mayor r' cr OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm APRIL 13, 2006 c�1 c3q � U'1 MEMBERS PRESENT: STEVE RECK , BILL POND, TIM WAITE, EMMETT KELL4 MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD, TIM HAGGART STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR DAVE BURTON, PLUMBING INSPECTOR Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:06 p.m. Drain Layers Exam. The Plumbing Board members present interviewed, Michael J. Clarke II and found him qualified to take the drain layers exam. Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector, administered the drain layers exam. Michael J. Clarke II scored 77% on his exam. Old Business: On a motion by Tim Waite, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of December 9, 2005, were approved unanimously. New Business: The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing the new changes in the 2006 Plumbing Code. A motion was made by Bill Pond and seconded by Emmett Kelly to adjourn. The motion was carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 8:24 p.m. The next regularly scheduled plumbing board meeting will be May 11, 2006 at 7:00p.m. Respe u Lub- i e- l Frank Eirosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: April 24, 2006 Approved dater Q(�� cc: Mayor's Office Appeal applicants City Clerk's Office Public file-original Appeal folders Board Secretary S1 DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING & NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N. Capitol Avenue, Suites C-1 • Lansing,MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355*FAX: (517)377-0169 {"^ N r� H i BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE Virg Bernero, Mayor C-' OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS FTI Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm cn MAY 11, 2006 MEMBERS PRESENT: STEVE RECK, BILL POND, TIM WAITE, EMMETT KELLY, TIM HAGGART MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR Vice Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:07 p.m. On a motion by Tim Waite, supported by Emmett Kelly, the minutes of April 13, 2006, were approved unanimously. Drain Layers Exam: The Plumbing Board members present interviewed, Robert Kelly and found him qualified to take the drain layers exam. Frank Eirosius, Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector administered the drain layers exam. Robert Kelly scored 94% on his exam. Old Business: None New Business: Present from the Board of Water and Light were Nicholas T. Burwell, Manager of Environmental Services Resource Center and Daniel J. Flynn P.E. Principal Consultant, Project Engineering Resource Center. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing with Mr. Burwell and Mr. Flynn how to accomplish the replacing of non standard water service piping in the City of Lansing or better known as the lead service line replacement. After a lengthy discussion with the Board of Water and Light representatives, Mr. Burwell presented five scenarios that represent typical situations found in the field and asked "When a plumbing permit is required?" Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals— 2006 2 After additional discussion, the only question that was left unanswered was when is a license not required. According to public act 733 of 2002 as per section15, paragraph2, A LICENSE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE FOLLOWING WORK: (Section B) The installation of a building sewer or water service pipe provided that a permit is secured from the responsible enforcing agency and inspections are performed. The installation shall comply with applicable code. The Plumbing board explained to the representatives of the Board of Water and Light that license and permit are required by the state plumbing act 733 of 2002. A motion was made by Tim Waite and seconded by Emmett Kelly to adjourn. The motion was carried unanimously. The Meeting was adjourned at 8:22 p.m. ` Next plum ' board meeting will be June 8, 2006 at 7:00p.m. Resp ctfully r nk Eirosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: May 19, 2006 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original Board Secretary v S LNG DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING & NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing,MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 1 HI BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE /�yJy Virg Bernero, Mayor -j C"> r) OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING C-' v PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS ;. y Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm June 8, 2006 1 MEMBERS PRESENT: STEVE RECK, BILL POND, TIM WAITE, EMMETT KELLY, MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD, TIM HAGGART STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR Vice Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 6:29 p.m. On a motion by Tim Waite, supported by Emmett Kelly, the minutes of May 11, 2006, were approved unanimously. Old Business: None New Business: Case No: Address: Petitioner: PBA-001-2006 1215 E. Michigan Ave. Granger Construction Co./Joe Durfee Curt Ritsema (Sparrow Hospital) Craig Trierweiler(Matrix Consulting Engineers) Joe Durfee representing Granger Construction Co. Contrary to section NFPA 99 C; Section 4-3.2.2.2; vacuum system piping network (C) minimum sizes, the petitioner is requesting to utilize existing half inch copper piping in lieu of installing a new three-quarter inch piping vacuum system has a minimal requirement for vacuum systems. The petitioner stated that during the installation of medical gas piping for the above reference project within the accelerator vault a lead baffle system was discovered above the ceiling. The baffle system would require removal and reinstallation to accommodate the installation of the required medical gas piping system as per NFPA 99 C. Petitioner stated also that the half inch copper medical gas piping previously installed for anticipated future medical gas installation was installed somewhere in the early 1990's and this department does not show any plumbing permits so he doesn't know who installed the system. The petitioner also stated that the current design calls for both oxygen and medical vacuum lines to be installed and that medical vacuum installation requires a minimum of three-quarter inch piping, therefore the vacuum piping system presently in place, is too small. The petitioner also stated that the State of Michigan Department of Health has insisted that the renovation includes medical gas within all treatment rooms. This has been accommodated with the exception of this room in question. The petitioner stated due to patient volume and care, it is not feasible to accommodate or even cease operations for at least three weeks, which is how long it would take to remove the baffled system and install new three-quarter inch piping to accommodate NFPA 99 C; Section 4-3.2.2.2 the minimum Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals— 2006 2 requirement for vacuum systems. The petitioner said that per manufacturer of the equipment, the half inch line would be acceptable and that the intent of the code would meet the requirement as per manufacturer. He also stated that it is going to be 2008 until this project is scheduled for remodeled After a lengthy discussion with the board members present, a motion was made by Bill Pond and seconded by Emmett Kelly to deny the appeal. One board member had to recuse himself from voting, and the motion carried unanimously. The appeal was denied for the reason that the NFPA 99 Q Section 4-3.2.2.2 vacuum system piping network (C). Minimum Size reads as Mains and branched shall be not less than 7/8 inch od (3/4 inch nominal) size. Drops to individual vacuum inlets shall be not less than 5/8 in od (1/2 inch in nominal) size, except that the tube attached immediately to the station inlet body and not extending more than eight inches from the station inlet. A motion was made by Emmett Kelly and seconded by Bill Pond to adjourn. The motion was carried unanimously. Next plumbing board meeting will be July 14, 2006 at 7:00p.m. Resp ull bmi ed, r-� rank Eirosius Sr. �ecretary/Chief Plumbing Inspector Draft Date: May 19, 2006 Approved date: 1119106 cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original Board Secretary y � S1 D, PARTMENT OF PL' ',NNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355 9 FAX: (517)377-0169 t C G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE HI Virg Bernero,Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS �-- Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm `= u� SEPTEMBER 14, 2006 C) C21 — Fri Members present: Emmett Kelley, Tim Waite `1 a Members absent: Steve Reck, Tim Haggart, Bill Pond, Chris Sherwood e-) r-e a Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector =? r"j With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Old Business: Approve minutes of June 8, 2006 New Business: Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-002-2006 431 Liberty St. Raychel Morrish Appeal PBA-002-2006 by petitioner, Rachel Morris who was present, was scheduled to be heard, but do to the lack of a quorum; the appeal was rescheduled for October 26, 2006. Drain Layers exam: The remaining Plumbing Board members present found the following people to be qualified to take the drain layers test: Jeffrey E. Mead Al Engelsman William J. Engelsman Paul Engelsman Frank E. Eirosius Sr. Administered the drain layers exam. The test scores for the exam were: Jeffrey E. Mead —92% William J. Engelsman - $100% Al Engelsman —80% Paul Engelsman—64% Next Plumbing Board meeting will be October 26, 2006 at 7:00 p.m. Resp tf,, `f su I e �- r nk Eirosius, Sr. ief Plumbing Inspector/Secretary Draft date: September 25, 2006 lApproved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file—original SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING & NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT ., 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing,MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 r I CHt BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE GA Virg Bernero, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS �-- .-I CR-._-,1 Gry Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm NOVEMBER 9, 20063 -'_ I MEMBERS PRESENT: EMMETT KELLY, STEVE RECK, TIM HAGGART MEMBERS ABSENT: BILL POND, CHRIS SHERWOOD, TIM WAITS STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR Vice Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Old Business: Approve the minutes of June 8, 2006 & September 14, 2006 On a motion by Steve Reck, supported by Tim Waite, the minutes of June 8, 2006 & September 14, 2006, were approved unanimously. New Business: Drain Layers Exam. Christopher J. Willshaw was found by the Plumbing Board members present to be qualified to take the Drain Layers exam. Frank E. Eirosius Sr. administered the drain layers exam. Christopher J. Willshaw scored 92% on the exam. Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-002-2006 431 Liberty St. Raychel Morrish Raychel Morrish was present for the appeal. The petitioner requested a variance for an on-demand water heater that was installed quite a while ago. There are only two people in the home, with one bathroom, kitchen, & laundry facility. The petitioner also stated that they are aware that the flow rate on the on-demand water heater is not up to Code and that they only can use one faucet or hot water outlet at a time. As per Michigan Residential Plumbing Code, Section P2903 requires the system and these devices to be sized as distribution system line with a reference to conditions based upon demand. The petitioner stated before they sell their home with the on-demand water heater, they will bring it up to Code. After a lengthy discussion, the Plumbing Board members present came to a conclusion that they need sufficient hot water to all plumbing fixtures; kitchen sink, bathtub, laboratory & laundry facilities. Steve Reck made a motion; seconded by Emmett Kelly the appeal was denied. Next plu board meeting will be December 14, 2006 at 7:00p.m. Res s itt r k irosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: November 27, 2006 Approved date: c Mayor's Office Appeal applicants City Clerk's Office Public file-original Appeal folders Board Secretary DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING & NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N. Capitol Avenue, Suites C-1 • Lansing, MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 arc H t BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE Virg Bernero, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING r" �Y PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS , Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm `;) 11 DECEMBER 14, 2006 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, EMMETT KELLY, STEVE RECK, TIM WAITE � MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD, BILL POND STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR DAVE BURTON, PLUMBING INSPECTOR Chairman Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Old Business: None New Business: None With no petitioners or public present and no new business, Emmett Kelly made a motion to table other business until the next meeting and adjourn to the Annual Board Dinner. Seconded by Steve Reck, motion carried. Next plumbi oard meeting will be January 11, 2006 at 7:00p.m. Resp 11 ub ' ed, 1 Fra Eirosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: December 15, 2006 Approved date: 1^ �� PpD cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Public file-original Board Secretary