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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003 Plumbing Board Minutes SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N. Capitol Avenue, Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 j c H i C3 BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm January 9, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, STEVE RECK, TIM WAITE, BILL POND MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD, LYNN GUNTHORPE STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR, Tim Haggart, Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:09 p.m. With a motion made by Tim Waite, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of December 9, 2002, were approved. They also, approved the revision of the Plumbing Fee Schedule for the year of 2003. Old Business: The Plumbing Board spent considerable time discussing a Backflow Prevention Program. The Board is continuing with that discussion, as soon as they get more information from Bill Meier, Board of Water & Light or another of their representatives. New Business: The Plumbing Board spent considerable time discussing the new plumbing laws "House Bill #4003" was signed and approved by the Governor on December 30, 2002 and will go into affect March 31, 2003. Under the new plumbing laws this Act will regulate the installation, alteration, maintenance, improvement, and inspections of plumbing and provide certain powers and duties to certain agencies and departments, to define plumbing and set standards for those classifications, to prescribe remedies and penalties and repeal acts and part of acts. The meeting was adjourned at 8:21 p.m. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be February 13, 2003 at 7:00 p.m. espeb e Sr., Secretary Draft date:Approved date:ffice City Clerk's Office Public file-original Board Secretary SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N. Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355• FAX: (517)377-0169 BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm February 13, 2002 Members present: Tim Haggart, Steve Reck Members absent: Lynn Gunthorpe, Chris Sherwood, Tim Waite, Bill Pond Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr., Dave Burton With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Drain Layers Exam The Plumbing Board members present interviewed, Norman J. Bass and found him qualified to take the drain layer exam. Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector, administered the drain layers exam. Norman J. Bass had a 90% on his exam. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing the new Michigan Plumbing Laws, the new Educational Act known as Bill #358, and Cross Connection Control Program from the Board of Water and Light and also how to improve attendance. Old Business: Need to approve Plumbing Board Minutes from January 9, 2003. New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be March 13, 2003 at 7:00 p.m. Respe ully submitted, c jFnk Eirosius, Sr. etary Draft date: 2/18/03 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Public file-original Board Secretary y� S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND „ NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 !c H I G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm March 18, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, STEVE RECK, BILL POND, TIM WAITE MEMBERS ABSENT: LYNN GUNTHORPE, CHRIS SHERWOOD STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., DAVE BURTON Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 7:08 p.m. On a motion by Steve Reck, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of February 9, 2003, were unanimously approved. Drain Layers Exam The Board interviewed Albert Joe Crenshaw and found him qualified to take the drain layers exam. Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector, administered the drain layers exam. Albert Joe Crenshaw scored a 70% on the drain layers exam. New Business: Appeals Docket#: Address: Petitioner: PBA-01-2003 121-123 E. Kalamazoo James B. Perry Capital City Deli Issue Of Appeal: It is requested to allow Capital City Deli to conduct restaurant business with one barrier free bathroom and one employee bathroom. The building is located at 121-123 E. Kalamazoo Street. The petitioner, James B. Perry, presented his appeal that was heard by the Plumbing Board. After viewing the blueprints and taking in consideration the limited space available in his restaurant, the Board had a lengthy discussion with the petitioner and granted him a variance on his appeal that required him to have two barrier free bathrooms for the occupant load presented to the Board of 30 people. The Board agreed that limited space is an issue and granted him the variance that one barrier free bathroom shall be provided with the existing employee's bathroom. Minutes for Plumbing Board -)peals—May 9, 2000 2 It was brought to the Plumbing Board's attention that the plumbing division is having compliance issues with Jenks Brothers Plumbing and Heating at 3313 W. Mount Hope Avenue. That site has 4 buildings, with 8 apartment units per building. The issues that were presented to the Plumbing Board were non-compliance on their Apollo Water Heating/Space Heating System. It was brought to the Board's attention that the Apollo systems installed at that site are not in compliance and do not meet the 2000 Michigan Pluming Code. The Code requirements are that the water at the domestic outlet site shall not be more than 140 degrees. To maintain 140 degrees temperature at the outlet site the temperature shall be controlled with a thermostatic mixing valve and that the floor drains shall have trapped/primer valves and that the valves isolating the heating coil shall be approved type of valves that protect from contamination and/or have an approved circulating pump or a lock out type of valves to protect water in the coils from getting stagnated. The Board had a lengthy discussion on that issue and agreed with the Plumbing division that those issues be addressed A.S.A.P. and if the units are not in compliance by final inspection request by Jenks Brothers Plumbing 7 Heating that they shall appear in front of the Plumbing Board for their explanation on why the Apollo Domestic/Heating system is not up to 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. The Plumbing Board is also concerned with the disrespect that has been demonstrated by Jenks Brothers Plumbing & Heating toward the Plumbing Divisions Inspectors/Staff. The Board requested that the Chief Plumbing Inspector stays in close contact/communication with the Plumbing Board regarding this disrespectful and offensive/threatening attitude displayed by Jenks Brothers Plumbing & Heating regarding the situation at 3313 W. Mount Hope Avenue. A motion was made by Name, seconded by Name, to adjourn the meeting at 8:23 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be held April 17, 2003 at 7:00 p.m. eeubmitted, Sr. f Plumbing Inspector Draft date: March 21, 2003 Approved date: C 4' � � . cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Board Secretary Public file-original Appeal applicants Appeal folders SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 I c H t G �` BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Special Board Meeting Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm March 27, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, STEVE RECK, TIM WAITE, BILL POND MEMBERS ABSENT: LYNN GUNTHORPE, CHRIS SHERWOOD STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., DAVE BURTON, BRIAN SHIELDS MECHANICAL BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT: CHAIRMAN JIM LAMARE Chairman Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The reason for the meeting is to interpret a Correction Order that was written by Dave Burton to a contractor doing work at 3313 W. Mt. Hope Avenue (a 4-building, 8-unit complex). The violation(s) pertains to the installation of an Apollo System. An explanation was requested by the Board from Chief Plumbing Inspector Eirosius. Chief Eirosius explained the situation at 3313 W. Mt. Hope Avenue. The Plumbing division received a phone call from the contractor regarding the Apollo System at that location. After a lengthy conversation regarding the Apollo System, the question came up to the contractor how is he controlling the water temperature throughout the system. The contractor made a statement that he is maintaining the water temperature throughout the system by setting the temperature adjustment knob on the gas control valve to not more than 140 degrees and that's the only obligation he has to maintain his 140 degree water temperature throughout the system. This department disagrees with using a temperature adjustment knob on the gas control valve for setting the 140 degrees temperature. A temperature adjustment knob cannot be used to control hot water temperature. The contractor disagreed with this decision. Jim Ruff, Director of Planning & Neighborhood Development, received a phone call from that contractor stating that an Inspector left a Violation Notice at 3313 W. Mt. Hope. He told Mr. Ruff that most of the items listed on the Violation Notice were not Code requirements but preferences, and said the Apollo units are okay by Code; they are individual units and are supposed to operate at 138 degrees. Also, the system is designed by Code with approved material. A meeting was held on March 24, 2003, with Mr. Ruff, Jack Nelson (Manager of Building Safety), Frank Eirosius, Dave Burton and the contractor. The Violation Notice was discussed at the meeting and the Plumbing Division expressed their concern to the requirements needed to satisfy Code sections listed on the Correction Notice. Minutes for Plumbing Board ' 1ppeals—March 27, 2003 2 Code Section 501.2—Water Heaters Used as Space Heaters Code Section 501.8—Temperature Controls Code Section 1002.4—Trap Seals Code Section 504.6.1 Discharge Code Section 504.7 — Required Pan After a lengthy discussion, both parties could not agree on Code sections and need interpretation on all those Code Violations. Chief Plumbing Inspector Eirosius explained to the Board that a special meeting was called for the Board to interpret the intent of all the Code sections listed in the Correction Notice. 501.2 —Water Heaters Used As Space Heaters 501.8—Temperature Controls Where a combination of potable water heating and space heating requires water for space heating at temperatures higher than 140 degrees a tempering valve shall be provided to limit the water supply to the potable hot water system to temperatures of 140 degrees. The potability of the water shall be maintained throughout the system. The Board recommended a tempering valve shall be provided or a thermostat that has a maximum setting of 140 degrees at the gas valve with the conjunction of manufacturer's installation instructions. After a lengthy discussion, the Board recommended that a circulating pump on a timer be required to maintain the potability of the water throughout the system. A motion was made by Bill Pond, seconded by Steve Reck passed unanimously to accept the Board's recommendation. 1002.4-Trap Seals Where the trap seal is subject to loss by evaporation a deep seal trap consisting of a 4" seal or a trap primer valve shall be installed. After a lengthy discussion, the Board interpreted the 4" seal or trap primer valve as either/or and if a 4" seal is provided, the conditions are met. The Board agrees with that Code section. A motion was made by Steve Reck, seconded by Tim Waite passed unanimously to accept the Board's interpretation. 504.6.1 — Discharge The relief valve discharge pipe shall be rigid pipe approved for water distribution with a rating of 210 degrees F. The discharge pipe used at the job site is a Watts Model No. 100DT relief valve drain. This department disagrees with the use of the Watts discharge pipe. It does not meet the Code requirement in section 504.6.1 and also 504.6.2 that reads, "Materials listed in section 506.5 shall be tested, rated, and approved for such use in accordance with ASME Al 12.4.1." The Board interpreted that the Watts discharge pipe is not rigid and does not have a rating of 210 degrees F. A notion was made by Tim Waite, seconded by Bill Pond, passed unanimously to accept the Board's interpretation. 504.7 — Required Pan Where a water heater or hot water storage tank are installed in a location where the leak of the tank or connection will cause damage, the tank or water heater shall be installed in galvanized steel pan having a minimum thickness of 24 gage or other pan approved for such use. The pan shall not be less than 1 1/2 " in depth, sufficient size and shape to receive all drippings or condensation from the water heater. After discussing the location of the water heaters in question, the Board agreed that a water heater pan is required and the water heater must be installed in a pan. A motion was made by Tim Haggart, seconded by Tim Waite, passed unanimously to accept the Board's interpretation. The Plumbing board feels they gave much consideration to the situation and feels that this department is properly interpreting the design and installation of the Apollo system. The purpose of the Code is to provide minimum standards to safeguard life or limb, health, property and public welfare by regulating and controlling the design, construction, installation, quality of materials, location, operation, and maintenance or use of plumbing equipment throughout the system. Minutes for Plumbing Board -- '\ppeals-March 27, 2003 3 The Violation Notice stands as currently written. The meeting adjourned at 9:05 p.m. enkEirosius itted Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector Draft date: 4/1/03 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Board Secretary SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm April 17, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, CHRIS SHERWOOD, TIM WAITE, BILL POND MEMBERS ABSENT: LYNN GUNTHORPE, STEVE RECK STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., DAVE BURTON Chairman Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 7:09 p.m. On a motion by Bill Pond, supported by Tim Waite, the minutes of March 18, 2002, were approved unanimously. On a motion by Chris Sherwood supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of March 27, 2003 were approved unanimously. Drain Layers Exam The Board interviewed Thomas A. Laier and found him qualified to take the drain layers exam. Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector, administered the drain layers exam. Thomas A. Laier scored a 92% on the drain layers exam. New Business: Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-02-2003 4700 Pleasant Grove Rd. Charlie Rich III Jim Sellek, representative for Charlie Rich III, was present for the Appeal. Issue of Appeal: Because of limited space and excessive cost of construction, the petitioner is requesting to install only one (1) unisex, handicap accessible restroom instead of two (2) (one male and one female) currently required by the Plumbing Code. After reviewing the 2 sets of blueprints that were submitted by the petitioner (one set for a unisex restroom and the other set for two restrooms, one male and one female) the Board advised the petitioner that either set would be acceptable if resubmitted to the Building Safety Office with an architectural seal. Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals—April 17, 2003 2 Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-03-2003 3313 W. Mt. Hope Ave. Jenks Brothers Plumbing & Heating Inc. The petitioners Clyde Jenks, Marilyn Jenks, and Bill Jenks were present for the Appeal. Issue of Appeal: They are requesting that the Code be enforced the same in Lansing as in all areas per Chapter 5, Water Heaters, Section 501.2 as cited in the 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. The petitioner explained to the Board that he is doing work at 3313 W. Mt. Hope Avenue, (A 4-Building 8 Unit Complex) and the violation that was written by the Plumbing Division was pertaining to the installation of the Apollo system. He said he is proposing to maintain a 140 degrees water temperature throughout the system by setting the temperature-adjusting knob on the gas control valve to not more than 140 degrees. He stated that's all he needs to do. The Board explained to the petitioner that the violation that was written for 3313 W. Mt. Hope Avenue pertains to the Apollo system. The violation called for a trap primer. The board agreed unanimously that either a deep seal trap or trap primer was acceptable, therefore the deep seal trap is approved. The Violation called for a discharge pipe. The discharge pipe that was supplied by the petitioner at the job site is a Watts Model 100 DT Relief Valve Drain. The Board agreed unanimously that the relief valve drain discharge pipe is approved. The Violation called for water heater pans. The petitioner explained to the Board that the owner required him to install pans for the water heaters and the Board agreed unanimously. The Violation cited the requirement that where a combination potable water heating and space heating system is used, a tempering valve shall be provided to limit the water supply to the potable hot water system to a temperature of 140 degrees. After a lengthy discussion on how to maintain the water temperature at 140 degrees or below, the Board explained to the petitioner that their interpretation is as follows: Section 501.2 Water Heaters and Space Heaters. Reads that a tempering valve is required. Section 401.8 temperature Controls. All hot water supply systems shall be equipped with automatic temperature controls capable of adjustments from the lowest to the highest capability of temperature setting for the intended temperature operating range. Manufacturer's Instruction Manual For Residential Gas Water Heaters. As per a manufacturer's temperature regulations on page 16 of the installation guide this section reads due to the nature of the typical gas water heater, the water temperature in certain situations may vary up to 30 degrees F higher or lower at the point of use such as bathtubs, showers, sinks, etc. This means that when the temperature adjustment dial is set at the mark approximating 120 degrees F, the actual water temperature at any hot water tap could be as high as 150 degrees F or as low as 90 degrees F. The thermostat at this water heater has been factory set at its lowest position to reduce the risk of scald injury. Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals—April 17, 2003 3 The petitioner also stated that he needs 138 degrees temperature to maintain 70 degrees of room temperature throughout the units. Following this lengthy discussion, the Board's conclusion is a tempering valve shall be provided to limit the water temperature supply to the potable hot water system to a maximum 140 degrees. The potability of the water shall be maintained throughout the system. As an alterative an engineering report from the manufacturer stating that the thermostat has a maximum setting of 140 degrees at the gas valve would also be acceptable. After a motion made by Bill Pond, seconded by Chris Sherwood to deny the appeal the motions carried unanimously. A motion made by Tim Waite and seconded by Bill Pond to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be held May 8, 2003, at 7:00 p.m. ;ef pect ly { Eirosius Sr., Plumbing Inspector/Secretary Draft Date: April 22, 2003 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original Board Secretary S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND „ NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 j c H I G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm May 8, 2003 Members present: Bill Pond Members absent: Steve Reck, Tim Waite, Tim Haggart, Chris Sherwood Staff Present: Frank Eirosius, Chief Plumbing Inspector With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Drain Layers Exam: Bill Pond interviewed Kirk J. Nethercot and found him qualified to take the drain layers exam. Frank Eirosius, Chief Plumbing inspector, administered the drain layers exam. Kirk J. Nethercot scored 64% on the drain layers exam. Old Business: Approve April 17, 2003, Plumbing Board Minutes New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be September 11, 2003. 6ecretary es ectfu bmi rank Eirosius, Sr. Draft date: 5/15/03 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Public file—original Board Secretary S z �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355.FAX: (517)377-0169 r H i G BUILDING SAFET Y OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm September 11, 2003 Members Present: Steve Reck Members Absent: Bill Pond, Tim Waite, Tim Haggart, Chris Sherwood Staff Present: Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector Staff Absent: Frank Eirosius, Chief Plumbing Inspector With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Old Business: Approve April 17, 2003, Plumbing Board Minutes New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be October 9, 2003. Respectfully submitted, Dave Burton Plumbing Inspector Draft date: 9/17/03 Approved date: /C,�� cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Public file—original Board Secretary S 1 DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD fC x t DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C.'Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm October 9, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, STEVE RECK, TIM WAITE, BILL POND MEMBERS ABSENT: CHRIS SHERWOOD, LYNN GUNTHORPE STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR Chairman Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. On a motion by Tim Haggart, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of May 8, 2003, were approved unanimously. On a motion by Tim Waite, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of September 11, 2003, were approved unanimously. Old Business: The Plumbing Board spent considerable time discussing the appeals pertaining to the Apollo Systems. The Plumbing Board was satisfied with the decision of the State Plumbing Board that was made to deny the appeal that was made by Clyde Jenks Plumbing and Heating Inc. and that the tempering valves shall be provided to limit the water supply to the potable hot water system to a temperature of 140 degrees F. Motion carried. New Business: Elections were held. A motion was made by Tim Waite, seconded by Bill Pond that Tim Haggart is voted in as Chair of the Lansing Plumbing Board. A motion was made by Bill Pond and seconded by Tim Haggart that Steve Reck be the Vice Chair of the Plumbing Board. It was moved, seconded and passed that the nominees be accepted as presented. The Plumbing Board spent considerable time discussing and planning how to fill the vacancy on the Plumbing Board. Minutes for Plumbing Board of A• -aIs—October 9, 2003 2 A motion made by Tim Waite and seconded by Bill Pond to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 8:26 p.m. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be held November 13, 2003, at 7:00 p.m. eemitted, h 4 ' r., Secretary Draft Date: October 15, 2003 Approved date: ?�,t. r //fice City Clerk's Office Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original Board Secretary S 1 �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE Tony Benavides, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING ., PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm NOVEMBER 13, 2003 Members present: Steve Reck, Tim Waite, Bill Pond Members absent: Chris Sherwood, Lynn Gunthorpe, Tim Haggart Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector Dave Burton, Inspector With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Old Business: Approve minutes of October 9, 2003 New Business: None The Drain Layers test was given to Jeff Humes. The remaining Plumbing Board members present found Mr. Humes to be qualified to take the Drain Layers test. Jeff Humes passed the Drain Layers test with a score of 78%. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing how to deal with enforcing the new Plumbing Codes to the fullest and working with the other city boards to accomplish compliance in correction violations. Next Plumbing Board meeting will be December 11, 2003 at 6:30 p.m. eReectubm' _ d, s, Sr. Draft date: November 18, 2003 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Public file—original Board Secretary Staff Representatives S I N� DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 Tony Benavides, Mayor j C H 1 G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS wfl #f� Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm Date December 11, 2003 MEMBERS PRESENT: TIM HAGGART, STEVE RECK, BILL POND, TIM WAITE MEMBERS ABSENT: LYNN GUNTHORPE, CHRIS SHERWOOD STAFF PRESENT: FRANK EIROSIUS, SR., DAVE BURTON Chairman Tim Haggart called the meeting to order at 6:38 p.m. On a motion by Steve Reck, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of October 9, 2003, were approved unanimously. Old Business: None New Business: Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-04-2003 1109 N. Walnut St. Vincent Andrews Jeff Vernon, representative for Petitioner, was present for the Appeal. Issue of Appeal: Petitioner requested variance for a shower stall that does not meet the 2000 Michigan Residential Code as per section P2708 (showers) P2708.1 the shower compartment shall have at least 900 square inches of floor area and be of sufficient size to inscribe a circle with a diameter that is not less than 30 inches." The petitioner explained to the Plumbing Board that there is no room to install a larger shower and that the dimensions on the shower in question are 30 by 27.5 inches. The owner purchased the shower and the rest of the plumbing, in that given area, was updated and completed to accommodate the current shower. The petitioner also presented pictures to the Board and an explanation that there was not enough room to get a larger shower into the given area. Inspector Burton has been working on that project with the petitioner regarding the shower stall. Inspector Burton stated that, "there is room for a larger shower that would meet the bare minimum intent of the 2000 Michigan Residential Code (section P2708)." After lengthy discussion and viewing the pictures that were presented by the petitioner the Plumbing Board came to the conclusion that it is possible to install and meet the bare minimum requirement. Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals—December 11, 2003 2 A motion was made by Bill Pond and seconded by Steve Reck to deny the appeal. The motion carried unanimously. Other Business: Also present at the board meeting were Darrel Kessler and Rod Tenniswood regarding a storm and sanitary separation at 2704 S. Cedar Street. Mr. Kessler and Mr. Tenniswood were invited by Chief Plumbing Inspector, Frank Eirosius and Building Safety Manager, Gary Brydges to present their argument and/or file for variance with the Plumbing Board. Mr. Kessler presented the argument that he is not separating the storm drains from the present sanitary building drains and the building has a combination storm and sanitary drainage system that conveys it's discharge to a public sewer. Mr. Kessler's argument is that he separated in the transmission area and he will not separate the system in the Kirby's area. After a lengthy discussion the board advised Mr. Kessler to follow the appeals process and then Mr. Kessler shall be given an opportunity to present an oral or written argument on issues of law and policy and to present evidence and arguments on issues of fact. Mr. Kessler didn't agree with the Board's statement and his misdemeanor turned belligerent and vulgar by making comments to the Board by calling them a kangaroo Plumbing Board and he does not need them because he is going to go up and see the City Council. The chairman took control of the situation and called for a motion to adjourn. Seconded by Steve Reck the motion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 7:23 p.m. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be held January 8, 2004, at 7:00 p.m. Respec y su mitt i nk Eirosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: December 23, 2003 Approved date: c : Mayor's Office City Clerk's Office Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original Board Secretary