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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001 Plumbing Board Minutes SING DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 . Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 C H I G 4' BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm - January 11, 2001 -�A Members present: Tim Haggart, Steven Reck, Chris Sherwood < ;� Members absent: Bill Pond, Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr., Joseph Delaney With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time going over qualifications for Plumbing Board members, the resignation of long time member and Journeyman Plumber Robert Burns, and how difficult it is to have a quorum for meetings with the current vacancy on the board and busy schedules of current members. Old Business: Approve Plumbing Board Minutes New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be February 8, 2001. j esp tf y submitted, ank E. Eirosius, Sr. cretary Approved date: Jan 25, 2001 cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file-original S j �G DL,'ARTMENT OF PLrtNNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N. Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 r c H i G BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm February 8, 2001 Members present: Lynn Gunthorpe, Steve Beck, Bill Pond, Tim Waite Members absent: Tim Haggart, Chris Sherwood Staff Present: Frank Eirosius, Sr. Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. The members of the Plumbing Board congratulated Frank Eirosius, Sr., for his appointment as Chief Plumbing Inspector. They also welcomed Tim Waite to the Board. Old Business: The Plumbing board approved the minutes of September 14, 2000. The motion was made by Bill Pond to accept the minutes; seconded by Tim Waite. The minutes were approved unanimously. New Business: The Board interviewed four Drain-layers (Kevin Douma, Robert Faidley, John Verlinde & Douglas Miller) and found them qualified to take the Drain-layers exam. Frank Eirosius, Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector administered the exam. The scores were as follows: Kevin Douma - 76% Robert Faidley-54% John Verlinde- 82% Douglas Miller- 76% The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing how the new IPC or the MIPC would affect the City of Lansing. They also discussed the following: • The effective date of the new Michigan International Plumbing Code will be approximately March 31, 2001. • The medical gas provisions addressed in the MIPC and plumbing laws (House Bill 4003). • How the MIPC would affect the venting on commercial buildings with the use of studor valves or any other prescribed venting methods. Next Plumbing Board meeting—In order to have a quorum will be Tuesday, March 6, 2001. Frank ro us, Sr cretary Draft date: February 14, 2001 ^ Approved date: c ,Mayor's Office /JBoard Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives ;Public file—original SING DLPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 I c H 1 G 4' BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm Tuesday, March 6, 2001 Members present: Steven Reck, Tim Haggart, Lynne Gunthorpe Members absent: Bill Pond, Chris Sherwood, Tim Waite Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr. With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. The Plumbing Board members present discussed absences of board members and ways to encourage participation. Old Business: Approve Plumbing Board Minutes New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be Thursday, April 12, 2001. Resp Ily submitted, rank E. Eirosius, Sr. Secretary Approved date: March 19, 2001 cc: Mayors Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file-original y� S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355 9 FAX: (517)377-0169 j C H I G e' BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm March 8, 2001, 7:30 p.m. Members present: Steven Reck and Tim Waite Members absent: Tim Haggart, Bill Pond, Lynne Gunthorpe, Chris Sherwood Staff Present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr. The following applicants have met the minimum requirements set forth by Ordinance that allows, them to appear before the Plumbing Board for the purpose of taking the Drain-layer's Examination. The applicants were: 1. John Reynolds 2. Harry J. Coty 3. Mel Lederer, Jr. The applicants were found qualified to take the Drain-layer's Examination. Frank Eirosius administered the Drain-layer's Examination and the scores were as follows: 1. John Reynolds — 96% 2. Harry J. Coty — did not take the exam 3. Mel Lederer, Jr. — 74% THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLUMBING BOARD MEETING WILL BE APRIL 12, 2001, AT 7:30 P.M. ie spec y bmitted, ank E. Eirosius, Sr. cretary Draft date: March 19, 2001 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file-original S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 j C H I G BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm April 12, 2001 Members present: Steven Reck, Lynn Gunthorpe, Tim Haggart, Tim Waite and Bill Pond Members absent: Chris Sherwood Staff Present: Frank Eirosius, Sr. Chairman Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m., with a motion by Tim Haggart to accept the minutes of February 8, 2001 and March 6, 2001 (No Quorum) and supported by Bill Pond. The minutes were approved unanimously. Old Business: The Plumbing board members present spent considerable time discussing the plumbing law and the Michigan International Plumbing Code. ❖ The estimated date for the Michigan International Plumbing Code is July 31, 2001. ❖ The language change in the plumbing laws on water softeners, regarding 15 gallons/30 gallons is to be strictly used in the one-family and two-family dwelling code. ❖ Medical Gas — The language addressing medical gas in the plumbing laws is too vague and needs to specify the installation, testing and certification. ❖ Mechanical vent/studor valves — The Board expressed concerns about how the valve is working and how safe it really is. The Board has a health and safety issue with that device and expressed their wish that this device not be used in the City of Lansing, because they are concerned about the citizens of Lansing. This device is approved under the IPC. New Business: The Board wants to reschedule their meeting dates and times to a new scheduled date effective the second Monday of each month and change the time from 7:30pm to 7:00pm, starting September 10, 2001. A motion was made to change the meeting dates and time by Lynn Gunthorpe and seconded by Tim Waite. The change was approved unanimously. A motion to adjourn was made by Tim Haggart and seconded by Lynn Gunthorpe. The meeting adjourned at 8:57pm.The next scheduled Plumbing Board meeting is May 10, 2001. Respe ully b r nk Eirosius Sr., Secretary Draft Date: 4/20/01 Approved date: 7/Cd-/o cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Public file-original S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 �rIC H l G 4' BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm May 10, 2001 Members present: Steve Reck, Bill Pond Members absent: Tim Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, Chris Sherwood, Tim Waite Staff Present: Frank Eirosius, Sr., Secretary With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time going over the Plumbing rules that will take effect July 31, 2001. (Amendments and additions to basic Plumbing Code.) Old Business: Approve Plumbing Board Minutes New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be September 10, 2001 at 7:00pm. Respec submitted Spec , osius, Sr. cretary Draft date: May 30, 2001 cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file-original S 1 DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355• FAX: (517)377-0169 1 c H t BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm Thursday, July 12, 2001 Members present: Tim Haggart, Tim Waite, Bill Pond, Steve Reck, Chris Sherwood Members absent: Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Frank Eirosius Sr., Chief Plumbing Inspector Steve Reck called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. . Old Business: On a motion by Tim Haggart, supported by Bill Pond, the minutes of April 12, 2001, were approved unanimously. New Business: Case No.: Address: Petitioner: PBA-001-2001 1112 N. Cedar St. Mrs. Diane Burns Mrs. Diane Burns, property owner, was present for the appeal. The petitioner requesting a variance on a code interpretation requiring the owner to provide toilets in sufficient capacity to handle the occupant load at the floors where the toilet rooms are located. The Building was formerly a church and is being redeveloped as a night club/bar/restaurant. The building has three levels; a lower level, a main level and a balcony level. The building has received a State Barrier Free Exception for vertical access to the main lobby and balcony levels. Previously all toilet room facilities were provided on the lower level. The owner/developer has submitted construction drawings that add additional toilet fixtures to the lower level and new men and women's toilet rooms at the main and balcony levels. Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appeals—August 10, 2001 2 The Plumbing Code requires that a number of toilet fixtures for a given occupant load of a floor be provided on that floor so that occupants do not have to travel to another floor to access required toilet facilities. The main and the balcony levels do not have the required number of fixtures to serve the respective occupant loads of each floor. However, since the lower level has more than the required fixtures for that floor the total number of fixtures required for the building as a whole are provided (using urinal substitution for one of the water closets). The owner would provide signage on the main and balcony levels at the toilet rooms indicating that additional facilities are located on the other levels. Should a waiting line begin to form at a toilet room, the occupants would have an informed choice to remain in line or travel to another floor to use the facilities. After a lengthy discussion, a motion was made to grant a variance to substitute a urinal for a water closet on the main floor men's bathroom that will eliminate a lavatory and provide room for that urinal. That variance will authorize relief from table 9.3 of the amendments of the Plumbing Code. The motion was made by Chris Sherwood, seconded by Bill Pond and carried unanimously. Meeting with the BW&L The Board wishes to meet with Bill Meyers from the Board of Water and Light, to discuss the backflow prevention program at their next scheduled meeting. Adjournment Bill Pond made a motion, seconded by Tim Waite, to adjourn the meeting at 8:37p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Next Meeting Date The next meeting date is Monday, September 10, 2001, at 7:OOpm. Respectf s mi Fra irosius Sr., Secrets Draft date: Secretary Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Appeal Folders Public file—Original Appeal Applicants S 1 N� DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 &C-2 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355 9 FAX: (517)377-0169 I c x i BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm September 10, 2001 Members present: Tim Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, and Tim Waite Members absent: Chris Sherwood, Bill Pond, and Steve Reck Staff present: Frank Eirosius, Sr. and Dave Burton Meeting was called to order at 7:02 pm by Vice Chairman, Tim Haggart. With absences, there were not enough Plumbing Board members present to make a quorum. Therefore, no official business was conducted. Old Business: None New Business: None Informal Business: Since the test for two drainlayers was administered by Public Service during the summer and the applications were not reviewed by the Plumbing Board, the Plumbing Board reviewed the applicants' qualifications and found them to be qualified. The applicants' names are James Dinkey and David Skiver. Approval is expected at the next Plumbing Board meeting. The Plumbing Board members present spent considerable time discussing the 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. o Mechanical vents/studor valves—The Board expressed concerns about how the valve is working and now safe it really is. The Board has a health and safety issue with that device. The device is approved under the 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. The Board also discussed the upcoming installation of a second water meter for use in the irrigation system and the need to follow up with the Board of Water& Light on what should be done to get the proper backflow prevention device installed. The Board is seriously concerned about the flooding problem and what to do to prevent flooding into dwelling and/or commercial properties and discussed the use of a backwater valve that can be used to solve the problem. The Board is highly concerned that by using that device, we are getting into a law suit. We need to invite Public Service to the next Board meeting to get their cooperation and input. The meeting adjourned at 7:57 pm Next Plumbing Board meeting is scheduled for October 8, 2001 at 7:00 pm. eEirosius mi Draft date: 09/10/01 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Public file-original S I �G DEPARTMENT OF PLAi1NING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 . Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 I c H t G BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:00 pm October 8, 2001 Members present: Lynn Gunthorpe, Tim Waite, Chris Sherwood, Bill Pond, Steve Reck Members absent: Tim Haggart Staff Present: Frank Eirosius, Sr., Dave Burton, Brian Shields, Jack Nelson The meeting was called to order at 7:04 p.m. by Chairman, Steve Reck. Old Business: On a motion by Mr. Waite, supported by Mr. Sherwood, the minutes of July 12, 2001, were approved unanimously. A motion was made by Mr. Gunthorpe and supported by Mr. Sherwood to approve the minutes of September 10, 2001. New Business: Drain Layers Exam The Board interviewed 5 drain layers: Robert Faidle, Chet Lupnitz, Leonard Schneider, Jr., Danny L. Babcock and Ronald D. Berry and found them qualified to take the Drain Layers Exam. The Drain Layers Exam was administered by Dave Burton, Plumbing Inspector. The scores were as follows: Robert Faidle 88% Chet Lupnitz 83% Leonard Schneider, Jr. 89% Danny L. Babcock 64% Ronald D. Berry 86% Plumbing Board of Appeals Case No. Address Petitioner PBA 002-2001 Bardaville Apts Jeff C. Haley Schuler Plumbing & Heating The buildings in question are located on Bardaville Street. The Petitioner is appealing the City of Lansing's Correction Order to bring the discharge off the water heaters to Code and provide a water heater pan with a drain in the Bardaville Apartment Complex. The Petitioner believes the water heaters have been like this ever since the Complex was built and the only thing was draining Minutes for Plumbing Board of App —October 9, 2001 2 to the lower floors was the discharge off the relief valves on the water heaters. He believes that the water heaters were approved by the City of Lansing at that time, and that new replacement water heaters shouldn't be brought up to Code. The Code requirements is that the water heaters at Bardaville Apts. She be installed to meet the 1994 Uniform Plumbing Code, which reads " When a water heater is located in an attic or furred space, where damage may result from a leaking water heater, a water tight pan of corrosion resistant material shall be installed beneath the water heater with a minimum 3/" diameter drain to an approved location". Also, the 200 Michigan Plumbing Code reads, "Where a water heater or a hot water storage tank are installed in a location where leakage off the tanks or connection will cause damage, the tank or water heater shall be installed in a galvanized steel pan having a minimum thinness of 24 gauge or other pans approved for such use. The pan shall be not less than 1 1/2" deep and shall be sufficient size and shape to receive all dripping or condensate from the tank or water heater. The pan shall be drained by indirect waste pipe having a minimum diameter of 3/ of an inch. The argument in support of this appeal is that the relief valves were plumbed together to a common drain ( %" drain) in the wall to a lower drain in the basement. If the relief valves or pan drains are plumbed the way the City of Lansing would like them, there is a potential problem that if the water heater pan drain would plug and overflow, that would go through the ceiling space in to the lower apartment unit. The Petitioner stated it cannot be done according to the Code without tearing down walls and causing more damage than necessary. He also feels it is not necessary to add a pan. The Board was concerned about the safety of the occupants, but also was concerned that the water heaters in question are installed according to the 1994 UPC and/or 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. The question was raised to Brian Shields, Plumbing Inspector/Mechanical Inspector, if it is possible to get the pans in there. According to Mr. Shields, it can be done, but they have to cut into the walls and tie into the existing drain to meet the intent of the Codes. Mr. Shields is the inspector who was working with the Petitioner to get the water heaters into compliance. After a lengthy discussion with the Board, the Inspector and the Petitioner regarding how to install the water heater pan's drain to the existing drain, a motion was made by Lynn Gunthorpe, supported by Bill Pond, to table the decision until the next meeting on November 12, 2001 at 7:00 pm, in order to allow the Petitioner additional time to investigate and/or consult with the Plumbing Inspectors. Backflow Prevention &Testing Program Bill Myers, from the Board of Water and Light, attended the meeting to discuss the City of Lansing Plumbing Board how to implement a backflow presentation and testing program that is presently part of the 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code, Section 312.90, "Inspections and testing of Backflow Assemblies". The Code reads, "All backflow devices shall be tested and inspected to determine whether they are operable". Mr. Myers state that the Board of Water and Light is well on its way to having a backflow testing and inspection program. The BW&L is willing to work with the City of Lansing's Plumbing Department. The dialogue between Bill Myers, the Plumbing Board and Mr. Nelson included: o How the program should work o Who will update the database o Will it interfere with the State Code o Develop a City ordinance to gain access to the public buildings The BW&L's major concern is protect the water system from contamination. The Plumbing Board and the Plumbing Department are also concerned about inspection and testing of packflow Minutes for Plumbing Board of Apr —October 9, 2001 3 assembly devices. The Board will develop a program and/or ordinance that would work for the BW&L and the City Of Lansing's Plumbing Department. Mr. Myers indicated he would keep in contact with the Plumbing Board/Plumbing Department. The meeting was adjourned at 9:17 pm. The next scheduled Plumbing Board meeting is November 12, 2001 at 7:00 pm. Respec submitted,itted, ryirosius Sr. F a creta Draft date: 10/29/01 Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original S 1 �'G DEPhRTMENT OF PLAIN ,gING AND NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 316 N.Capitol Avenue,Suites C-1 • Lansing MI 48933-1238 (517)483-4355•FAX: (517)377-0169 I c H i �, BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE David C. Hollister, Mayor . OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY OF LANSING PLUMBING BOARD OF APPEALS Held at 316 N. Capitol Ave. at 7:30 pm December 10, 2001 Members present: Tim Haggart, Bill Pond, Tim Waite, Lynn Gunthorpe, Steven Reck, Chris Sherwood Members absent: None Staff present: Frank E. Eirosius, Sr., Dave Burton, Brian Shields Steve Reck, Chair, called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. Old Business: A motion was made by Mr. Haggart to approve the minutes of October 8, 2001. Supported by Mr. Gunthorpe, the motion carried unanimously. - A motion was made by Mr. Waite to approve the minutes of November 12, 2001. Supported by Mr. Pond, the motion carried unanimously. Case No. Address Petitioner PBA 002-2001 Bardaville Apts Jeff C. Haley Schulert Plumbing & Heating A motion was made to remove the case from the table for this appeal that was brought forward by the Petitioner on October 8, 2001. The Petitioner is appealing the City of Lansing's correction order to bring the discharge off the water heaters to Code and provide a water heater pan with a drain in the Bardaville Apts. Complex. The Board allowed the Petitioner additional time to investigate and/or consult with the Plumbing Inspectors. The Petitioner did not consult with the Plumbing Inspector, Brian Shields, or any other Inspector. The Petitioner feels that it should not be changed because it is existing and would cost the owner additional monies to bring it up to Code. The Board showed its concern about additional cost: however, the intent of the Code has to be met. After lengthy discussion, the Petitioner stated to the Board they changed at least 90% of the water heaters in one building and all existing drains of the temperature and pressure relief valve are terminating in the mechanical room. There are 200 total units there and the apartment complex changed to new ownership. The Board stated that they are concerned about the safety of the occupants, but also were concerned that the water heaters in question are installed according to the 1994 UPC and/or 2000 Michigan Plumbing Code. The Board also stated that they gave the Petitioner ample time to investigate and/or meet with one of the Plumbing Inspectors to come up with a practical working solution. The Board addressed the question to Inspector Shields if it is possible to get pans in there. According to Mr. Shields, it can be done, but they have to cut walls to tie it into the existing drain to meet the intent of the Code. After a lengthy discussion, Tim Minutes for Plumbing Board of Appe, -May 9, 2000 2 Haggart made a motion, to deny the Plumbing Board Appeal 002-2001. Seconded by Tim Waite, the Motion carried unanimously. New Business: none Next Plumbing Board meeting will be January 14, 2002, at 7:02 p.m. Respec I submitted, Pr nk E. Eirosius, Sr. cretary Draft date: 1/7/02l Approved date: cc: Mayor's Office Board Secretary City Clerk's Office Staff Representatives Appeal folders Appeal applicants Public file-original