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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996 Plumbing Board Minutes PLUMBING BOARD MEETING /- 1 January 11, 1996 Members Present: Tim Haggart, Steven Reck, Alison Panich, Bill Pond, Bob Burns and `:�c'!''' ''fT`f CLER" Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of November 16, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business None. New Business PA-001-96 - 6501 S CEDAR - REGENT INN - Mr. Bill Neidig, manufactures representative for Sales Service Plus Inc. , Mr. Roger Gilmore from Gilmore Heating and Mr. Jim Jensen from Jensen Plumbing were present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting approval to install a single wall heat exchanger with a 10 p.s.i. relief valve between the boilers and the three heat exchangers. After several drawings and a lengthy discussion, Mr. Reck moved to install a double wall heat exchanger between the boilers and the three single wall heat exchangers. The double wall heat exchanger shall be A.N.S.I. approved with literature or shape drawing be submitted to the City of Lansing, Building Safety Office, Plumbing Section before installation. This approval is for only one time for this job only. Motion seconded by Mr. Pond. Motion carried five in favor, one against. Mr. Neidig thanked the Plumbing Board for their time. In support of this decision the Board makes the following findings of fact: Double wall heat exchanger between the boilers and the three heat exchangers would meet the requirement in Section 603.3.4. Not happy with the three single wall heat exchangers but felt the new double wall heat exchanger that will be installed would protect the three single wall heat exchangers. This approval is one time only and this job only. Chairman Gunthorpe had his report to the Mayors Office read to the Plumbing Board. Joseph Delaney asked the Plumbing Board for an interpretation on Section 706.2 of the U.P.C. Said horizontal drainage line connecting to a vertical line or stack shall enter through a 601, 451 wye, tee or 1/8 bend or other approved fittings of equivalent sweep. Joseph Delaney asked whether 901 is acceptable. The Board said to use your own discretion. A motion was made by Ms. Panich, seconded by Mr. Pond, to adjourn the meeting at 9:50 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT: /( Secretary APPROVED: PLUMBING BOARD MEETING February 8, 1996 Members Present: Tim Haggart, Steven Reck, Alison Panich, Bill Pond, and Lynn Gunthorpe Members Absent: Bob Burns Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Haggart, the minutes of January 11, 1996, were approved. Motion carried. Old Business Joseph Delaney presented some literature from Jensen Plumbing on an Armstrong Double Wall Heat Exchanger that is A.S.M.E. approved. The literature was in small print and hard to read. The Plumbing Board said if it is double walls and A.S.M.E. approved, then it can be installed at 6501 S Cedar, Regent Inn, between the boilers and the three single wall heat exchangers. New Business One drain layer examination was administered by Mr. Eirosius to Mr. Danny Baker with a score i of 96 0 - 70 o is passing. There was discussion on the Uniform Plumbing Code and the appeals process. A motion was made by Mr. Pond, seconded by Ms. Panich, to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT: Secretary APPROVED: � w �� Cj� PLUMBING BOARD MEETING March 14, 1996 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Steven Reck,1 Alison,Panich,_dill Pond, and Lynn Gunthorpe Members Absent: Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of February 8, 1996, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business The Plumbing Board asked Joseph Delaney if Jensen Plumbing has had the double wall heat exchanger installed at the Regent Inn. Mr. Delaney stated that he did not think the heat exchanger had been delivered yet. The Plumbing Board asked Mr. Delaney if he had heard from Bill Maier at the Board of Water and Light about backflow preventers. Mr. Delaney stated that he had not heard from Mr. Maier. New Business One drain layer examination was administered by Mr. Eirosius to Mr. Jeffery Steiss with a score of 36%. 70% is passing. The Plumbing Board had a lengthy discussion on cleaning and abrasive cloth on medical gas piping. The Plumbing Board will take this matter up at the next board meeting. Due to the Plumbing Inspectors Association of Michigan Spring Conference, the date of the next Plumbing Board meeting has been changed to April 18, 1996. A motion was made by Mr. Pond, seconded by Mr. Reck to adjourn at 9:15 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT: 2 Secretary APPROVED PLUMBING BOARD MEETING April 18, 1996 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Steven Reck, Ali p Panich—Bill_Pgnd Members Absent: Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Vice-Chairman Haggart at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of March 14, 1996, were approved. Motion carried. Old Business Medical gas will be discussed at the May meeting. The Plumbing Board discussed Chapter 9, Wet Venting and Stack Venting. New Business The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Lynn Gunthorpe an excused absence. The Plumbing Board asked why they did not received the minutes of the March meeting. In the future they would like to receive the minutes and agenda one week before the Plumbing Board meeting. Joseph Delaney apologized to the Board. Two drain layer examinations were administered by Mr. Eirosius to Mr. Ron Hunt with a score of 88% and Steven Linyer with a score of 78%. 70% is passing. One of the Plumbing Board members was at Oldsmobile Park and thought it was a non-combustible building because they saw some p.v.c. piping. Joseph Delaney said there was a communication mix up between two of the contractors and it was installed one day before the Lugnuts home opening game. Joseph Delaney said the problem will soon be taken care of. The Plumbing Board also discussed combustible building, where you can use combustible materials, but in some building that are one hour rated, you can not penetrate.the floors with combustible materials, without the proper use of fire stops. A motion was made by Ms. Panich, seconded by Mr. Burns to adjourn at 9:30 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT:4Aqil.7 Secretary APPROVED: ( PLUMBING BOARD MEETING May 9, 1996 i Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Alison Panich, Bill Pond, Lyr n,Gent orpe Members Absent: Steven Reek Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Pond, the minutes of April 18, 1996, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business The Plumbing Board strongly recommends that Section F11 (B) Medical Gas which says that copper tubing ends and fittings shall be cleaned with abrasive cloth, be modified to eliminate the words "abrasive cloth". The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to accept this change. The Plumbing Board asked Joseph Delaney if Jensen Plumbing had installed the double wall heat exchanger at the Regent Inn. Mr. Delaney stated that he had not heard from anyone that it had been installed. In December of 1995 the Plumbing Board granted a variance to Mr. Bill Neidig to install a double wall heat exchanger -between the two boilers and the three sink wall heat exchangers. The Plumbing Board instructed Mr. Delaney to issue Jensen Plumbing a Correction Order to install the double wall heat exchanger. New Business The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Steven Reek an excused absence and sends their condolences to the Reek family in the death of Steven's mother. PA-001-96 - 206 S Magnolia The petitioner, Mr. Richard Ingersoll, was present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting a variance not to install a garbage disposal and vent the kitchen sink. Mr. Ingersoll stated the Lansing Housing Code Section 1460.20 (5) which says all plumbing except that which conformed with all applicable laws in effect at the time of installation. Mr. Ingersoll also stated that about 15 years ago he replaced the old galvanized sink drain line when he lived at this property. The house is a now a rental property. Mr. Ingersoll further stated that there has never been a garbage disposal or vent on the sink drain. After a discussion Mr. Burns moved to deny this appeal based on (1) the U.P.C. Section 901.0 Proper venting for fixture traps and (2) Amendments Section 1422 of the U.P.C. Section 318 requires a garbage disposal and (3) for the health and safety of the tenant living at the property. Motion was seconded by Mr. Pond. Motion carried unanimously. In support of this decision the Plumbing Board makes the following finding of fact: 1. Section 101.5.1 of the Uniform Plumbing Code specifies when alterations or repairs are made, they are to be done to code. 2. Section 103.1.1 of the Uniform Plumbing Code requires a plumbing permit for all plumbing work. Plumbing Board Minutes May 9, 1996 Page 2 PA-002-96 - 505 E Michigan Avenue (Oldsmobile Park Baseball Stadium) The petitioner Mr. Harold Boerner, representing Clark Construction Co. was present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting to use combustible material, schedule 80 P.V.C. for downspout on the exterior of the suite balconies that extend into the building which is not enclosed, and to use standard elbows and tees fittings. Mr. Boerner stated that with trying to meet the deadline for opening game, which was the next day, there was some confusion between the roofers, the plumber and his office. The work had to be done for opening day. Mr. Boerner also stated that there are P.V.C. seating in that area and that area also has a sprinkler head. Mr. Boerner further stated that schedule 80 would last a lot longer than the 26 ga. galvanized sheet metal which was originally called for. After a discussion Ms. Panich moved to table this decision until the Board members had a chance to check out the piping at the baseball stadium. The motion was seconded by Mr. Pond. The motion carried unanimously. Due to a schedule mix up the May 14, 1996, ball game has been rescheduled for Monday, June 10, 1996. NOTE: The Plumbing Board will have a special order of business meeting June 13, 1996, at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Haggart, seconded by Mr. Burns to adjourn at 9:28 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, L Joseph Delaney DRAFT:\/ Secretary APPROVED k //'�\ C� r PLUMBING BO ARD MEETING June 13, 1996 z i Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Alison Panich, Bill Pond, Lynn Gunthorpe Members Absent: Steven Reck Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of May 9, 1996, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Unfinished Business PA-002-96 505 East Michigan Avenue (Oldsmobile Stadium) Mr. Boerner, the petitioner, was requesting to use combustible material for downspout on the exterior of the balconies suite. After a discussion the Plumbing Board said that Kebler Plumbing was well aware the P.V.C. is prohibited in a noncombustible building. The Plumbing Board said the P.V.C. is on the outside of the building and with the open air it would be a hazard to the public, it would also be a financial loss to the owner. Mr. Haggart made a motion to grant a variance with the stipulation that if at any time the P.V.C. is to be repaired or altered then noncombustible materials are to be used. Motion was seconded 1— Mr. Burns. Motion carried. Old Business Mr. Harold Prell, VP - Marketing and Manufacturing General Manager of Viessman Manufacturing Company Inca was present accompanied by Mr. Bill Neidig of Sales Service Plus Inc. , and Mr. Craig Lange who Mr. Prell said was an attorney. Mr. Prell talked about the appeal at the Regent Inn. Mr. Prell presented Chairman Gunthorpe with sixteen (16) different documents and literature supporting the single wall Viessman heat exchanger most of which the Plumbing Board had at the November 16, 1995, meeting. Mr. Prell also presented Chairman Gunthorpe with six (6) proposed alternatives, supporting the single wall Viessman heat exchanger. Mr. Prell-asked the Plumbing Board to approve the three (3) single wall heat exchangers installed at the Regent Inn by enacting Chapter 2 of the Uniform Plumbing Code which the Board has the power to do. Mr. Prell explained how superior the Viessman heat exchanger is. Mr. Lange also asked the Plumbing Board to approve the single wall heat exchanger by enforcing Chapter 2 of the U.P.C. The Correction Notice which was sent to the plumbing contractor must be in compliance by June 17, 1996. Mr. Prell, Mr. Lange and Mr. Neidig all asked the Plumbing Board to put that Correction Notice on hold while they reconsidered allowing use of the Viessman heat exchanger. Chairman Gunthorpe said he is totally confused because at the January 11, 1996, Board meeting Mr. Neidig presented drawings and requested approval of an extra single wall heat exchanger tween the boiler and the three single wall heat exchangers, but the Plumbing Board approved double wall heat exchangers instead of a single wall and Mr. Neidig agreed. Mr. Prell said he could not agree to that because that would not work. Plumbing Board Minutes June 13, 1996 Page 2 After a discussion Mr. Haggart asked Mr. Prell if the Viessman heat exchanger has an A.N.S.I. certificate. Mr. Prell said it has an A.G.A. certificate. Mr. Prell, Mr. Lange and Mr. Neidig pleaded to the Plumbing Board to put the Correction Notice on hold while they reconsidered the Viessman heat exchanger. Mr. Gunthorpe made a motion to put the Correction Notice on hold until the Plumbing Board responded at the next meeting, September 12, 1996. Motion seconded by The motion carried. New Business The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Steven Reck an excused absence. A motion was made by Mr. Haggart, seconded by Mr. Pond to adjourn at 9:24 p.m. Motion seconded by Ms. Panich. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, /Joseph Delaney DRAFT: 6/21/96 Secretary APPROVED: PLUMBING BOARD MEETING August 7, 1996 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Alison Panich, Steven Reck,'Lynn;�Gixnthorpe Members Absent: Bill Pond Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 6:00 p.m. New Business The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Bill Pond an excused absence and sends their condolence to the Pond family in the death of Bills' mother. PA-004-96 - 3100 Block of East Saginaw Mr. Joseph Kain, petitioner, representing Shaw-Winkler, Inc. was present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting to use cement line ductile iron waste piping for under a building. Mr. Kain stated that when the piping was installed Shaw-Winkle Inc. was not informed by the owner, that a building was going to be built over the ductile pipe. Mr. Kain said since getting more information from the owner he had a drawing showing where the future building is going to be built over the ductile pipe and that the owner wants to use ductile pipe for its durability. After a discussion Mr. Burns moved to deny this appeal based on: 1. U.P.C. Section 701.1 Materials having a smooth and uniform bore 2. U.P.C. Section 311.5 No piping connection of installation which obstructs or retards the flow of water. Motion was seconded by Mr. Reck. Motion carried unanimously. In support of this decision the Plumbing Board makes the following finding of fact: Section 701.1 states materials for drainage piping shall be cast iron, galvanized steel, copper, brass, schedule 40 PVC DWV, extra strength vitrified clay pipe, or other approved materials having a smooth and uniform bore. Section 311.5 no fitting, fixture and piping connection, appliance, device or method of installation which obstructs or retards the flow of water waste and sewage. Two drain layer examinations were administered by Mr. Eirosius to Mr. Hughes with a score of 645 and Mr. Masetri with a score of 88%. 70% is passing. A motion was made by Mr. Haggart, seconded by Ms. Panich, to adjourn at 7:25 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, 1 Joseph Delaney DRAFT: 8/1 /96 Secretary APPROVED: 7- b PLUMBING BOARD MEETING September 12, 1996 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Alison Panich; Steven i Roek-, Lynn Gunthorpe, Bill Pond :., r- ., �;�il...,.. . i.I I CL' Liai Members Absent: None Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Haggart made a motion to approve the minutes of the August 7, 1996, meeting with a correction of a typographical error, Mr. Hughes had a score of 64% rather than 645. Motion supported by Mr. Reek. Motion carried unanimously. Election of Officers Tim Haggart was nominated and elected as Chairman of the Plumbing Board. Lynn Gunthorpe was nominated and elected as Vice Chairman of the Plumbing Board. Appeals CASE PA-005-96 - Dugout Enterprises Inc - 420 E Michigan Avenue Mr. Douglas Cron, representing Dugout Enterprises was present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting approval to install a new 6" storm drain line serving the roof at 420 E Michigan Avenue that has a larger than normal backfall. The petitioner stated that attempts were made to install the storm drain under the sidewalk but it was not possible to connect into the city storm drain due to Ameritechs' fiberoptics system. Garmyn and Sons sewer contractors worked with Bob Rose of Public Service, Joseph Delaney of the Plumbing Department and a representative from Ameritech and found it is virtually impossible to install to the city storm. Mr. Cron had a, drawing showing a new 6" storm drainline could run to an existing storm sewer which is east of the Dugout the basement of a parking lot, but that would involve dropping under concrete beams which would cause about a 35" long trap and before the trap there be a 4" blow off just in case the trap ever has a stoppage. After a discussion Mr. Reek moved to grant the appeal which will allow the installation of a 6" storm drain to discharge into the existing'storm sewer. The variance will authorize relief from Section 708 of the Plumbing Code. The motion was seconded by Mr. Gunthorpe. Motion carried unanimously. In support of this decision the Plumbing Board makes the following finding of fact: The minimum pipe size shall be 6", the pipe slope will be trap for about 35" because it is impossible due to the existing building and can not go through Ameritech's fiberoptics. Will install cleanouts and 4" blow out. Does not cause a health or safety problem. Plumbing Board Minutes September 12, 1996 Page 2 Old Business PA-001-96 - Regent Inn - 6501 S Cedar Mr. Harold Prell, Mr. Bill Neidig and Mr. Craig Lange were present. At the June 13, 1996, Plumbing Board meeting there was a motion requesting that the Plumbing Board respond to the correction notice for Regent Inn at the September 12, 1996, meeting. Mr. Prell said he sent Joseph Delaney three documents on single wall heat exchangers. Joseph Delaney said he hand delivered the documents to the Plumbing Board members. Mr. Prell said the documents were single wall heat exchangers which were approved for Silverthorne Co. , Colorado Springs, CO, and the state of Alaska. The Plumbing Board said they did not see where the documents were approved for potable water because the documents were from mechanical departments and not the plumbing department. Mr. Prell, Mr. Neidig and Mr. Lange all asked the Plumbing Board for approval for the single wall heat exchanger. After a lengthy discussion Ms. Alison Panich moved to cite the correction notice that was sent May 17, 1996, to comply with the installation of a double wall heat exchanger. The variance will not authorize relief from Section 603.3.4 of the Plumbing Code. The motion was seconded by Mr. Pond. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Gunthorpe moved the correction notice be in compliance 30 days from today, September 12, 1996. In support of this decision the Board makes the following finding of fact: Section 603.3.4 of the Plumbing Code states that heat exchangers for potable water shall be a minimum of two separate wall. Not using double wall heat exchangers for potable water is a health hazard to the citizens of Lansing. The Plumbing Board would accept the installation of the double wall heat exchanger that Mr. Bill Neidig requested and got approved at the January 11, 1996, meeting. Before Mr. Lange left he told the Plumbing Board that there would probably be litigation against the Boards decision. The Board discussed Appendix F Medical Gas Systems. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be October 10, 1996. A motion was made by Mr. Burns, seconded by Mr. Reck, to adjourn at 9:28 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT: g/12/96 Opptogd. I0 l/01q& PLUMBING BOARD MEETING October 10, 1996 is v Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Alison Panich, Bill Pond Members Absent: Steven Reck, Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and. Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Haggart at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Pond made a motion to approve the minutes of the September 12, 1996, meeting. Motion supported by Mr. Burns. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business A drawing which someone left on Joe Delaneys' desk was presented to the Plumbing Board. The drawing is for a new lochinvar copper finn water heater at the Regent Inn at 6501 S Cedar. The lochinvar water heater would be replacing the boilers and only use the new lochinvar water heater to feed the three heat exchangers. After a lengthy discussion a motion was made by Ms. Panich to accept the new lochinvar gas fire water heater with expansion tank and terminate all existing connections between the boilers and heat exchangers to include all piping, valves, controls and cap at the boiler and to have the Plumbing Inspector inspect the job every six months for the next two years. Motion seconded by Mr. Pond. Motion carried unanimously. New Business The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Steven Reck and Mr. Lynn Gunthorpe an excused absence. The Plumbing Board reviewed some of the plumbing code changes for 1997. The next Plumbing Board meeting is November 14, 1996. A motion was made by Mr. Burns, seconded by Mr. Pond, to adjourn at 9:35 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT:. 10/21 96 Secretary APPROVED: ( H OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD November 14, 1996 Members Present: Tim Haggart, Alison Panich, Bill Pond, Steven Reck Members Absent: Bob Burns and Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Haggart at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Reck made a motion to. approve the minutes of the October 10, 1996, meeting. Motion supported by Mr. Pond. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business: The Plumbing Board asked Joseph Delaney if he heard from Mr. Bill Maier with the Board of Water and Light. Mr. Delaney stated that he had not hear from Mr. Maier. The Plumbing Board asked what the progress is at the Regent Inn. Mr. Eirosius reported the job now complies with the Plumbing Board request. New Business: The Plumbing Board voted unanimously to give Mr. Gunthorpe and Mr. Bumsa an excused absence. The Plumbing Board had a discussion on amendment U.P.C. Section 602.01 diebatric insulators. The Plumbing Board also discussed floor drains in public restrooms. Due to a scheduling conflict the December Plumbing Board meeting will be changed to December 16, 1996. A motion was made by Mr. Pond and seconded by Ms. Panich to adjourn at 9:15 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully, Joseph Delaney, Se retary r Haggart 816 Jessop Avenue Lansing MI48910 Mayor David Hollister wo- 9th Floor- City Hall 124 West Michigan Avenue ,. Lansing MI 48933 January 10 1997 Dear Mayor Hollister: `- -'1" The current members of the Lansing Plumbing Board are: Lynn Gunthorpe Master Plumber Robert Burns Journey Plumber Stephen Reck Michigan Health Department Alison Bono Citizen At Large William Pond Master Plumber Tim Haggart Journey Plumber In 1996, the Building and Safety Division issued 1701 permits. The Board met ten (10) times in 1996. The priorities of the Board continue to be to protect the health and safety of the citizens of Lansing, to work with the Board of Water and Light to develop a cross connection ordi- nance and backflow preventer re-inspection for the City and to approve new materials and products as they become available for use in plumbing installations. In 1996, the Lansing Plumbing Board also acted as the Plumbing Appeals Board. The Board works closely with Chief Plumbing Inspector,Joseph Delaney and Assistant Inspector, Frank Eirosius enforcing the Uniform Plumbing Code. The Board meets the second Thursday of each month, September through May. We would welcome your attendance at anytime. If you have any questions, or I can be of assistance, please call me. My home phone number is 394-5497 Sincerely, Tim Haggart, Chairman Lansing Plumbing Board �X U3j TO: Council President Ellen Beal and City Councilmembers FROM: David C . Hollister, Mayor DATE : February 6, 1997 SUBJ: Plumbing Board Report The attached correspondence is being submitted for your information. DCH:KC Attachment