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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995 Plumbing Board Minutes PLUMBING BOARD MEETING January 19, 1995 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tom Eifert, Tim Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, Loren Nichols and Steven Reek Members Absent: Staff Present: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Eifert at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Gunthorpe, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of December 8, 1994, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Unfinished Business Mr. Bob Smith from Hobbs and Black Associates, was asking for a variance on the indirect waste piping at the Lansing Center which has no traps or vent piping, the Plumbing Board and Mr. Smith had a discussion, after no more questions Mr. Smith thanked the Plumbing Board for their time. The Plumbing Board was reluctant in giving a variance. After much discussion the Plumbing Board decided that they would allow the Center to operate for one year without the traps and vent piping. If there are no problems within that years time then the Plumbing Board would approve a variance. The Board has granted until January 19, 1996. Old Business Mr. Bill Maier from the Board of water and Light, Mr. Jim Eilert and Mr. Mike Smith, Software consultants for Hydro Designs, Inc. , demonstrated an excellent software program for keeping record for backflow preventer re-inspections, the Plumbing Board was very impressed and hopes that the City of Lansing will finance the program. After some questions and discussion the Plumbing Board thanked Mr. Eilert and Mr. Smith for their time. The Plumbing Board was under a misunderstanding the Board though we were under the 1994 U.P.C. even through we were discussing the Joint Model Plumbing Code. After a discussion a motion was made by Mr. Gunthorpe, supported by Mr. Reek that the City of Lansing adopt the.1994 Uniform Plumbing Code and the amendments. Motion carried unanimously. The Plumbing Board gave Mr. Steven Reek a special thank you for the excellent refreshments. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols, seconded by Mr. Haggart, to adjourn the meeting at 9:15 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully sub�rnitted, 2� C- 1 a Joseph Delaney '` Secretary rrn iJ DRAFT: Q APPROVED: 9� PLUMBING BOARD MEETING February 9, 1995 Members Present: Bob Burns, Tom Eifert, Tim Haggart, and Steven Reck Members Absent: Lynn Gunthorpe, Loren Nichols Staff Present: Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Eifert at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Haggart, the minutes of January 19, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Unfinished Business After much discussion the Plumbing Board is requesting more information from the architect, Mr. Bob Smith from Hobbs and Black Associates on the indirect waste piping at the Lansing Center which has no traps or vent piping. The Board has granted a variance. The Plumbing Board requests to be updated on the intentions of the City of Lansing in regards to the Backflow Prevention Program. New Business The Plumbing Board requests an update on when the City of Lansing will be adopting the 1994 Uniform Plumbing Code and the amendments. The Plumbing Board is asking the City of Lansing to investigate that horrible sewer smell that is present in this building. A motion was made by Mr. Burns, seconded by Mr. Haggart, to adjourn the meeting at 8:30 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respe I ubm'tted, F ank Eirosius cting Secretary DRAFT: APPROVED: 3 qS 17. r- �ti 0 PLUMBING BOARD MEETING March 9, 1995 Members Present: Tom Eifert, Tim Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, Loren Nichols and Steven Reek Members Absent: Bob Burns Staff Present: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Eifert at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Haggart, the minutes of February 9, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business There was some discussion on category one venting of water waters. Unfinished Business The Plumbing Board is still very concerned about reinspection of backflow preventors. A discussion followed and Joseph Delaney said it is the Board of Water and Lights responsibility to finance the program and the City of Lansing can not do anything unless the Board of Water and Light does it themself or works with the City of Lansing in a beneficial way. The Board of Water and Light has worked with the Plumbing Department but nothing at this time is being done about financing and going out doing reinspections. New Business It was reported that the Plumbing Inspectors Association of Michigan Conference will be held in Novi April 20, 21, and 22, 1995. There also was a discussion on what constitutes a conflict of interest. Do to the Easter weekend the next Plumbing Board meeting will be changed to April 6, 1995. A motion was made by Mr. Gunthorpe, seconded by Mr. Reek, to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Wretary u mitted, /�&o y DRAFT: r- y APPROVED: �J c r�, PLUMBING BOARD MEETING April 6, 1995 Members Present: Tom Eifert, Tim Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, Loren Nichols and Bob Burns Members Absent: Steven Reck Staff Present: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Eifert at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Nichols, the minutes of March 9, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Old Business The Plumbing Board asked if there had been any contact from Mr. Bill Maier regarding the reinspection of backflow preventers. Joseph Delaney said he had no contact. New Business Joseph Delaney report on the American Backf low Preventers conference he is attending at the Kellogg Center. The Plumbing Board reviewed Section 509.0 of the U.P.C. Prohibited location for waterheater and one of those locations is the bathroom. Question i scan a water heater be installed in a half bath. The U.P.C. interpretation manual states in Section 202.0 defines bathroom as a room equipped with a shower or bathtub. A room equipped with neither a tub or shower is considered to be a toilet room and is not a prohibited location. Mr. Loren Nichols who served years as a resident on the City of Lansing Plumbing Board has resigned because he has moved out of the City of Lansing, his knowledge and experience will be greatly missed. The Plumbing Board thanks Mr. Nichols for a job well done. A motion was made by Mr. Burns, seconded by Mr. Gunthorpe, to adjourn the meeting at 9:10 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary DRAFT: APPROVED: �- ° 11 J A i� PLUMBING BOARD MEETING September 14, 1995 n ,� r"a Members Present: u} F: Haggart, Lynn Gunthorpe, Steven Reck, Bob Burns, Alison Panich •�,,r, { i �� ..tied Bill Pond Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Gunthorpe at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Gunthorpe welcomed Ms. Alison Panich and Mr. Bill Pond as new members to the Plumbing Board. On a motion by Mr. Haggart, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of May 11, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. Election of Officers Lynn Gunthorpe was nominated and elected as Chairman of the Plumbing Board. Tim Haggart was nominated and elected as Vice Chairman of the Plumbing Board. Old Business None New Business PA-001-95 - 505 E Michigan- Lansing Baseball Stadium - Mr. Hebat Badiee, President of Enertech Engineering Company, was present for this appeal. Mr. Badiee requested a modification of the overflow roof drain lines so that they may connect into regular roof drain line at the vertical piping. After a discussion the Plumbing Board stated that they could not accept the overflow drain discharging in to the vertical piping at the regular roof drain, the Board would however accept the overflow drain to discharge into the main vertical stack. Mr. Badiee thanked the Plumbing Board for their time. Mr. Joseph Delaney asked Mr. Badiee if he would provide a letter stating that it is ok to use P.V.C. waste piping under ground at the Lansing Baseball Stadium because the specifications had case iron piping. Mr. Badiee stated that he does not want P.V.C. piping under ground he wants cast iron piping under ground. Mr. Badiee further stated that the City wants P.V.C. under ground because of the cost. Two drain layer examinations were administered by Mr. Frank Eirosius to Mr. Todd DeLau with a score of 100% and Mr. Ron Hunt with score of 62%. 70% is passing. The Plumbing Board discussed the change in direction of drainage flow according to the U.P.C. Sections 706.0 to 706.4. The Plumbing Board also discussed the proper installation of a sewer ejector. A motion was made by Mr. Reck, seconded by Ms. Panich, to adjourn the meeting at 9:25 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectf lly ubmitted, Joseph DelaneY DRAFT:Secretary APPROVED: PLUMBING BOARD MEETING November 16, 1995 Members Present: Tim Haggart, Steven Reck, Alison Panich and Bill Pond 1 M,` ` : ., .,,,,, ,,,.T e, Members Absent: Bob Burns and Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Haggart at 6:30 p.m. On a motion by Ms. Panich, supported by Mr. Pond, the minutes of October 13, 1995, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. A citizen, Tom Eifert was present at this meeting to observe the proceedings. Old Business Mr. Bill Maier and Mr. Bill Beauchanic from the Board of Water and Light were present to bring the Board up-to-date on an ordinance to establish a comprehensive control program for the inspection, detection, prevention and elimination of cross connections. This requires City Council approval to become an ordinance. Mr. Maier and Mr. Beauchanic and the Plumbing Board had a discussion and Mr. Maier thanked the Plumbing Board for their time and emphasized the need to work together to have this approved by City Council. New Business The Board discussed a plumbing inspection fee increase presented by Mr. Joseph Delaney. The increase fees will put the City of Lansing in line with other municipalities. On a motion by Ms. Panich, supported by Mr. Reck, the Board approved the increased fees. Motion carried unanimously. PA-004-95 - 5100 S Pennsylvania - Dr. Schneeberger, DDS - Dr. George Schneeberger, D.D.S. was present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting approval for existing single vacuum pump. The petitioner stated that the single vacuum pump was purchased and installed in 1991 at 5015 S Pennsylvania and worked fine. The single vacuum pump is installed at the new office at 5100 S Pennsylvania - the new code requires two vacuum pumps. The petitioner was under the impression that the medical gas and equipment had been certified by Ohmeda. The certification shows only the piping system had been certified. After a discussion Ms. Panich moved to deny this appeal based on Appendix Chapter F Section 3(d) of the U.P.C. and N.F.P.A. Section 4 - 8.1.1 which require two vacuum pumps. The motion was seconded by Mr. Reck. Motion carried unanimously. In Support of This Decision the Board Makes the Following Findings of Fact: The Plumbing Code is specific as to the requirements for two vacuum pumps. The petitioner failed to submit sufficient data to substantiate that the code provision was applied incorrectly. In like manner, the Plumbing Code requires that the equipment be certified by a third party agency. The equipment as installed does not meet the requirements of certification and could cause a potential threat to the public health of the patients. Plumbing Board Minutes November 16, 1995 Page 2 PA-005-95 - 6501 S Cedar - Regent Inn - Mr. Bill Neidig, Manufacturers representatives for Sales Service Plus, Inc. and Mr. Edwin Nordstrom, V.P. Sales and Marketing for Viessmann Manufacturing, were present for this appeal. The petitioner is requesting approval of the Viessmann single wall heat exchanger. The. petitioner is seeking authority to use a piece of equipment which is not listed or labeled by a listing agency. The petitioner gave Board members a fax from Seattle King County which approved the Viessmann heat exchanger under Section 301.1 of the U.P.C. The City of New York and the state of Massachusetts has also accepted the Viessmann heat exchanger. The petitioner stated that the heat exchanger meets A.S.M.E. and A.N.S.I. Standards. The petitioner also stated that the appliance is A.G.A. certified and has a C.G.A. approval. The petitioner further stated that the Viessmann is the best heat exchanger on the market. The Viessmann is a stainless steel storage water heater and the exchanger coil has heavy duty stainless steel and the petitioner feels the viessmann heat exchanger is far superior than any other heat exchanger on the market. The appeals board and the petitioners had a lengthy discussion and question and answer. After the discussion Mr. Reck moved to deny the appeal based upon the following: (1) Section 603.3.4 of the U.P.C. states that heat exchangers using potable water shall be separated from the fluids and gases by a minimum of two separate walls. (2) If plans or drawings were submitted or a plumbing permit issued before the job was complete the problem would have never occurred. Motion seconded by Ms. Panich. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Neidig thanked the Plumbing Board for their time. In Support of This Decision the Board Makes the Following Finding of Fact: A double wall heat exchanger is required by Section 603.3.4. The petitioner did not submit sufficient justification to substantiate that the proposed appliance complies with the purpose and intent of the Code, which is to protect the potable water supply. The petitioner did not submit documentation which substantiated that the appliance is approved for such use by a recognized agency. PA-006-95 - 505 E Michigan Avenue - Lansing Baseball Stadium - The petitioner , Mr. Mark Newlin of William Caruso and Associates, was not present for this appeal. The petitioner sent a letter requesting a variance to negate the necessity of installing a garbage disposer in five remote concession locations at Oldsmobile Stadium. The petitioner stated that the main commissonary kitchen is where a garbage disposer is located, all food leaves the commissionary area and goes to the other five concession areas. All raw waste food products generated in the concession stands will consist of miscooked or wasted hamburgers, hotdogs, chips, buns and etc. These items must be held and returned to the commissionary at the end of the event for accounting and control purposes. There is also a concern for employee safety in that cans, plastic bags, etc. could be deposited into the disposal. Items being washed in the three compartment sink in the remote concession area will consist of service utensils such as a spatula, forks, spoons and tongs an not pots and pans which will contain food items. Plumbing Board Minutes November 16, 1995 Page 3 After discussion Mr. Bill Pond moved to deny this appeal based upon the following reasons: (1) All remote commissionaries are constructed such that 3 compartment sinks are installed. The likelihood that these areas will be utilized to their fullest potential is great. (2) Lansing Ordinance amendment Chapter 1422.17 U.P.C. Section 318 all food preparation and food dispensing areas shall be equipped with garbage disposal units. The motion was seconded by Mr. Haggart. Motion carried unanimously. A motion was made by Mr. Haggart seconded by Mr. Pond, to adjourn the meeting at 10:50 p.m. The motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, �(4 IJDelaney DRAFT: Secretary APPROVED PLUMBING BOARD MEETING December 12, 1995 • •ftEsi V� t�tl i � � �; Members Present: Bob Burns, Tim Haggart, Steven Reek, and AlisonfParuci CLERK Members Absent: Bill Pond and Lynn Gunthorpe Staff Present: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Haggart at 6:30 p.m. Old Business None. i New Business There was a discussion on backflow preventors and double wall heat exchangers. I Being no other business the Plumbing Board retired to Sammy's Restaurant for the annual Christmas Dinner. The next Plumbing Board meeting will be January 11, 1996. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney DRAFT: jl� j I 16 E Secretary APPROVED: