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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993 Plumbing Board Minutes ___---BFICIAL PROCEEDINGS 93 � �,l `�;� l 1 G. 05 of the PLUMBING BOARD January 14, 1993 MEMBERS PRESNET: John Brady, Bob Burns, Loren Nichols and Tom Eifert MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Gunthorpe and Steve Reck STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of December 10, 1992, were read and approved. Motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: Mr. Richard Morris, representing Cast Iron Soil Pipe Institute, was a guest at the meeting. Mr. Morris had some inspiring words of wisdom and gave everyone present a catalog and handbook on cast iron pipe and fittings. There was discussion regarding water heater replacement as to who it was governed by. The Members expressed their disappointment with the City Attorney' s opinion on water heater replacement. A motion was made by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Burns, that each Board Member write a letter to Mr. Knot and City Council asking for the reasoning behind Mr. Knot' s opinion. Motion carried unanimously. There was discussion regarding the roof drains at the new Michigan Manufacturer' s building. It was decided by the Members that this building must comply with the U.B.C. which states that all overflow roof drains shall be an independent system. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Eifert, to adjourn the meeting at 9:35 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Burns stated that he would be more than happy to furnish the refreshments for the February 11, 1993, meeting. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney JD/mmr II OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD February 11, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns, Tom Eifert, Lynn Gunthorpe, Steve Reck STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:31 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Eifert, the minutes of January 14, 1993, were read and approved. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: Chairman Brady sent a letter to Mr. Al Knot, City Attorney, to express the Plumbing Board' s disappointment with his opinion on installation of replacement water heaters. Mr. Brady ask Mr. Knot to attend the next Board meeting to meet with the Members. Letter to be made a part of the minutes. Mr. Brady stated he had heard from Mr. Knot and he would be able to attend a meeting, however, the regularly scheduled date was not convenient for Mr. Knot, therefore, the March meeting was scheduled for March 4, 1993. There was discussion regarding Waraflex corrugated stainless steel tubing. After a lengthy debate a motion was made by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Eifert, that the City of Lansing does not approve this material because it is not approved by U.P.C. and I.A.P.M.O. Motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: Mr. Eirosius ask the Board about medical gas for a job in the 1800 block of West Mt. Hope. The Board Members stated that there is a code change in the U.P.C. adopted in 1992, Appendix F, which covers all medical gas, gases, air and vacuums. Mr. Gunthorpe told of the danger and the fact that a lot of small clinics around the country have actually had patients die because of improper installation. He further stated any installation of this kind should be installed under Appendix F, and certified by a third party after installation is complete. Again, this is all covered in Appendix' F and is very important. On a motion by Mr. Burns, supported by Mr. Gunthorpe that the year—end report prepared by Chairman Brady for the Mayor and Council be accepted. Motion carried unanimously. There was discussion regarding the overflow roof drains at the Lansing Center addition. A motion was made by Mr. Gunthorpe, supported by Mr. Burns, that the overflow roof drains shall be an independent system as stated in the U.B.C. Motion carried unanimously. It was decided by the Board that should this decision go the the Building Board of Appeals that they would like to be notified of the meeting. ZZ 6 4 A special thank you was given to Mr. Burns for the excellent refreshments he furnished. A motion was made by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Nichols, to adjourn the meeting at 9:47 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. i Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary I; l + � r IIfFITH JOHN H.tjRADY ERNEST W.KEMPTER nLnmyn 1'.,61-nI I Innnr W Sri rrm,v Local Union No. 388 i„ of Iho United Slalen and Canada .f OF 11IF_11NI1 FD ASSOCIAT ION OF JOUnNFYMFN AND APPFIFNTICES OF IIIF PLIIMFIINO AND PIPF TITTING INDUSIIIY x - Aflillnled AFL-CIO 5404 SOUTH LOGAN LANSING, MICHIGAN 48911-3593 Phone 517/393-5480 February 9, 1993 Alvan P. Knot, City Attorney of Lansing City Hall Lansing MI Dear Mr. Knot: The Lansing Plumbing Board was extremely disappointed by your opinion of November 19, 1992 concerning the installation of water heaters In the City of Lansing. The purpose of this communication is to submit information on the water heater issue, which may affect your findings. Act 226, P.A. 1929, as amended, Section 1, references the definition of plumbing, which you have pointed out, has a clarification provided the Attorney General's office regarding water heaters in Section 1(b). I would request your consideration on the law and code integration pertaining to water healers. Act 226, P.A. 1929, as amended, Section 1(d) states: (d) The water piping and plumbing appliances, including the wafer pressure system other than municipal systems, within the building residence or structure; Plumbing appliances are by definition covered in the State Plumbing Code, the BOCA National Plumbing Code 1990 Edition, Article 2, Definitions, reinforces the plumbing law as follows: Plumbing Appliance.- Any one of a special class of plumbing fixtures which is intended to perform a special function. ll's operation or control can be dependent upon one or more energized components, such as motors, controls, healing elements, or pressure or temperature sensing elements. Such fixtures can be manually adjusted or controlled by the user or operator, or can operate automatically through one or more of the following actions.- a time cycle, a temperature range, or a pressure range, a measured volume or weight. I believe, this provides information that water heaters are addressed in the plumbing law, while the device is not mentioned in the mechanical law. I The Lansing Plumbing Board would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience. Our next regular meeting is Thursday, February 111h at 7:30 p.m. in the City Hall Annex. Sincer y, John H. Brady, Chair an Lansing Plumbing Board JHB:apua#388/afl-cio i RECD. U ' OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS '93 of the 1'lfir� �� �� 8 54 LUMBING BOARD MEETING March 4, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns, Tom Eifert, Lynn Gunthorpe and Loren Nichols MEMBERS ABSENT: Steven Reck STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Jack Roberts, City Attorney GUESTS PRESENT: Dennis Rapson, Plumbing Inspector, City of East Lansing, and Michael West, Director, Lansing Mechanical Contractors Association The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Nichols, the minutes of February 11, 1993, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS:- Mr. Jack Roberts, Senior Assistant City Attorney, represented Al Knot, City Attorney, regarding the recent opinion on water heater installation. Mr. Roberts and the Board had a very lengthy discussion regarding this opinion. Mr. Roberts stated that a clarification on the opinion regarding existing water supply connections will be forth coming. The Board thanked Mr. Roberts for his attendance. Mr. Roberts expressed pleasure in meeting the Board and would try to answer any further questions they had. Mr. Gunthorpe talked about the problem with medical gas in the building on West Mt. Hope. He stated with explanation and education to the owner it solved a very dangerous situation. NEW BUSINESS: Mr. Delaney reported on a dangerous condition which Michigan Soft Water Company had created on Chilson Street. Chairman Brady reported that the Plumbing Inspector' s Association of Michigan' s Spring Conference is in Frankenmuth April 15, 16, and 17, 1993. Mr. Delaney reported that the Building Board of Appeals will meet at 2:00 p.m. , April 13, 1993. The next Plumbing Board meeting has been changed to April 1, 1993. On a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Burns, the meeting adjourned at 9:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING April 1, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Tom Eifert, Lynn Gunthorpe, Steven Reck and Loren Nichols MEMBERS ABSENT: Bob Burns STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m.' on a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Gunthorpe, that the minutes of March 4, 1993, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: Mr. Larry Gunthorpe, Gunthorpe Plumbing & Heating, Inc. , spoke to the Plumbing Board to explain medical gases. Mr. Gunthorpe attended a four day school for medical gas in California, and is now certified in this field. Mr. Gunthorpe discussed the importance of proper installation and said nitrous oxide causes heart failure and does not show up in an autopsy. Each of the Board members were provided with a brochure about testing and education on medical gases along with many malpractice settlements which resulted in deaths occurring in hospitals and dentist offices from anesthetist. Chairman Brady asked if anyone had heard from the Jack Roberts, Senior Assistant City. Attorney, regarding the opinion on water supply connection for water heaters. It was determined that- no response had been received todate. Mr. Eifert read a letter from a committee regarding backflow preventers; discussion followed. NEW BUSINESS: There was discussion on existing masonry chimney' s. The Board agreed with Section 1322 on water heaters venting into an existing masonry chimney. On a motion from Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Eifert, the meeting adjourned at 9:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary �� 9 Of €."T G�C7 C U r _. " .._.._.--OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS �J3 f'!!I`i I` 'J 2 0O of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING May 13, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns, Steven Reck and Loren Nichols MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Eifert and Lynn Gunthorpe STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of April 9, 1993, were approved. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: There was discussion about medical gas. There was discussion about the Board of Water and Light regarding the lack of reinspection of backf low preventers. NEW BUSINESS: Mr. Delaney reported that the Administration would like to increase plumbing permit fees. The Base Fee for residential, commercial and industrial is at $35.00 and would go to $40.00; residential water heater replacement and/or repair is at $30.00 and would go to $35.00. This is proposed to offset increased costs. After a lengthy debate a motion was made by Mr. Burns, supported by Mr. Reck to approve the plumbing permit increases. Motion carried unanimously. Two gentlemen took the Drain Layer' s Examination; scores as follows: David E. Hrzyzaniak 96% Passed Freddie L. Harris 70% Passed Being no further business, Mr. Nichols made a motion to adjourn at 10:12 p.m. , supported by Mr. Reck. Motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, / Delane Joseph y Secretary JD/mmr t1F L,qy Building Safety Division Department of Municipal and Neighborhood DeveloppniieYlf Lower Level,Washington Square Annex 119 North Washington Square'1 * * Lansing,Michigan 4893t (517)483-4355 �CNIra James A.Crawford,Mayor OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING September 9, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: Steven Reck, Lynn Gunthorpe, Tom Eifert and Bob Burns MEMBERS ABSENT: Loren Nichols and John Brady STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Vice-Chairman Eifert at 7 :30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Gunthrope, and supported by Mr. Reck to approve the minutes of May 13, 1993. Election of Officers John Brady was nominated for the position of Chairman. Mr. Brady sent a letter of accepting the nomination, and was unanimously approved by the members as Chairman. Tom Eifert was nominated for Vice-Chairman. Mr. Eifert accepted the nomination and the members unanimously approved Mr. Eifert as Vice-Chairman. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: The Plumbing Board is still very concern about the City of Lansing doing reinspection on backflow preventers, because of water contamination when the Board of Water & Light lose their water pressure. NEW BUSINESS: The Plumbing Board has some questions about the Michigan Barrier Free requirements and the ADA standard. Joe Delaney said the State is still working on a brochure to put out to the Public. Mr. Thomas Shinaver took the Drain Layer's examination and passed with a score of 86%. The Plumbing Board told Steve Reck to tell Mrs. Reck a special thank you for a excellent dessert that she made. Mr. Burns said the he would be more than happy to bring refreshments for the October meeting. A motion was made by Mr. Reck, and supported by Mr. Gunthorpe, to adjourn the meeting at 9:27 p.m. Motion was carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary "Equal Opportunity Employer" .5/ t.IAl\ OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE - PLUMBING BOARD MEETING OCTOBER 14 , 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns , Steven Reck, Loren Nichols, Tom Eifert, and Lynn Gunthorpe STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by chairman Brady at 7 : 30 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Nichols , supported by Mr. Eifert, the minutes of September 9 , 1993 were approved. Motion carried unanimously. UNFINISHED BUSINESS : There was discussion on the reinspection of backflow preventers . NEW BUSINESS : Mr. Joe Raica took the Drain Layers examination and passed with a score of 84% . Joe Delaney reported on the International Association of Plumbing and Mechanical Offficials 64th Annual Education and Business Conference. Mr. John Brady reported an. overview of the B.O.C .A. 1993 national plumbing changes . Mr. Brady also reported that on friday, October 22 , 1993, at 10 : 00 , the State Plumbing Board will have a public hearing on the new proposed l State etheplumbing laws, and asks that anyone who can attend, to pease Due to the fact that the next Lansing Plumbing Board meeting falls on Veterans Day, it was unanimously supported that the next plumbing board meeting will instead be held on November 4 , 1993 . animously Due to a 1993, meeting be supported hat the be changed to December2 , 1993 t December 9 , at 6 : 00 p.m. The Plumbing Board gave Mr. Burns a special thank you for the excellent refreshments . Mr. Gunthorpe said that he would be more than happy to bring refreshments for the November meeting. A motion was made by Mr. Burns , and supported by Mr . Reck, to adjourn the meeting at 9 : 51 p.m. Motion was carried unanimously. Respectfully s bmitted, v J Ose h Delane p Secretary i �� OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE PLUMBING BOARD MEETING December 2, 1993 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns, Steven Reck, Loren Nichols, Tom Eifert, and Lynn Gunthorpe MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by chairman Brady at 6:00 p.m. On a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Burns, the minutes of November 4, 1993 were approved. Motion carried unanimously. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: There was discussion on Backflow Preventors and Medical Gas Systems. NEW BUSINESS: Chairman Brady reported that he has recieved a letter from Mayor-Elect David Hollister, inquiring about the City of Lansing Plumbing Board. Some of the questions asked were concerning by-laws and rules of procedure, the attendance policy, and five top priorities of the board for the coming year. The Plumbing Board and Chairman Brady answered Mayor-Elect Hollisters questionnaire. The letter is attached. The Plumbing Board retired to the Parthenon Restaurant for their annual Christmas Dinner. Respectfully submitted, Jose h Delaney Y Secretary JD/rbm 01 -06-94A( 0 : 43 CV December 13, 1993 Mayor-Elect David Hollister Transition Office P.O. Box 22008 Lansing MI 48909-2008 Dear Mayor-Elect Hollister: The Lansing Plumbing Board at it's December 2, 1993 meeting agreed that most of the questions you posed in your letter dated, November 19, 1993, about the Plumbing Board are answered in the Bylaws and Rules of Procedure. I have enclosed a copy of these bylaws and rules for your information. The attendance policy of the Board is explained in the bylaws and I am happy to report that the member's attendance record is good and they are concerned that Lansing will continue to operate under the most effective plumbing code possible. The five top priorities of the Board for the coming year are as follows: 1. To make sure Lansing's citizens continue to have questions answered about their plumbing system installations and timely inspections. 2. To work with the Board of Water and Light concerning a Backflow-Preventer Re-inspection Program for the City. We will need your help, Mayor Hollister, to protect Lansing's water system. 3. Medical Gas systems in local hospitals, labs and doctor's and dentist's offices need to be monitored to ensure safe installations. 4. The 1994 Uniform Plumbing code will be available this year. The Board must examine and act on the new changes for use in Lansing. 5. To consider new products and materials that may be available for installations in Lansing. The following are members of the Lansing Plumbing Board: Term Ex ires Thomas E. Eifert June 1996 Master Plumber Stephen Reck June 1996 Michigan Health Dept. i Page two: Lansing Plumbing Board Robert Burns June 1997 Journey Plumber Lorne Nichols June 1997 Citizen At Large Lynn Gunthorpe June 1994 Master Plumber John H. Brady June 1994 Journey Plumber . The Plumbing Board works closely with two excellent Plumbing Inspectors, Chief Inspector Joseph Delaney and Assistant Inspector Frank Eirosius. As Director of the Building Safety Division, Jack Nelson is helpful to the Board, especially, when we are working out code changes that must be approved by the City Council;. Our next regular Board meeting is Thursday, January 13, 1994. We would welcome your attendance at this meeting. If you have any questions or I can help in any way, please feel free to call me. My work number is 393-5480 or home at 882-3014. Thank you for your interest in this Plumbing Board. Sincerely, John H. Brady, Chairman Lansing Plumbing Board Encl.