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Home My WebLink About1990 Plumbing Board Minutes OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING January 11 , 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols , Bob Burns, John Brady and Steven Reck MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Gunthorpe and Tom Eifert STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Nichols to approve the minutes of December 14, 1989. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: It was reported that Jackson, Michigan has an excellent Reinspection Backflow Prevention Program. It was suggested that a Board Member check into this program. NEW BUSINESS: Chairman Brady discussed the 1989 Evaluation of the Plumbing Board. The Board Members asked Mr. Delaney what responsibility he had for asbestos. Mr. Delaney explained that asbestos is not addressed in the Plumbing Code. Mr. Delaney asked the Members their feelings on registering Journey- man with the City of Lansing. The Members agreed that they should be registered. The meeting was adjourned at 9:43 p.m. on a motion by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Reck. Respectful) submitted, "',/� - Joseph Delaney Secretary � z � F-- � F- W 0 OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING February 8, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols , John Brady, Steven Reck and Lynn Gunthorpe MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Eifert and Bob Burns INSPECTORS PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion by Mr. Reck, supported by Mr. Gunthorpe to approve the minutes of January 11, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: Mr. Brady reported that in the near future he hoped to have some information from Jackson, Michigan on their program for reinspection of backflow prevention. NEW BUSINESS: A Drain Layer' s Examination was held for one applicant, Mr. MiTTs, who passed. with a score of 74%. A letter from Mr. Lulski asking to reinstate his Drain Layer' s license was presented, along with a letter from the Public Service Department notifying him of the next meeting (February 8, 1990) when he could appear. Mr. Lulski failed to show. A complaint was received from several Drain Layer' s regarding a drain cleaner using the name of "John' s City and Country Sewer Cleaning" . Their complaint is that he is using four different companies and using the word plumbing in his advertisements. The Board Members asked Mr. Delaney to contact Michigan Bell to register a complaint. Mr. Delaney presented literature on Hydroheat who produces water heaters and a heating coil for furnances. The Board discussed this and requested more information. The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 on a motion by Mr. Gunthorpe, supported by Mr. Reck. Motion carried unanimously. Respectful su mitted, Joseph Delaney S a crpta-ryi 0 ro C-4 � a � a �- n �J ,-� � 00 a� 0 a � n 0 i 'C Md T Z 93d 06 f �1 �J18 9NiSNVI "001M OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING March 8, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols, Bob Burns, John Brady, Tom Eifert and Steven Rec MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Gunthorpe INSPECTOR PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Reck to approve the minutes of February 8, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: Mr. Steve Sulski appeared before the Board to discuss the possibi ity of reinstating his drain layer's license. The Board recommend that Public Service reinstate Mr. Sul ski ' s drain layers license. Mr. Sulski is, to pay any costs the may occur through Public Service to achieve this. Mr. Bill Markee from Mechanical Sale Company, Mr. Sam Dunn, and Mr. Don Roberts from Builders Heating Supply all appeared before the Board to -explain how the Apollo, combination unit, hot water heater and heating coil operates. Mr. Markee explained that National has approved it and where they are being used. Mr. Markee asked for any questions. One question was "What keeps the water from becoming stagnant in the warmer months when the coil is not being used. Mr. Markee stated that the water circularized through the hole of the check valve and the hand gate valve must be left open. Mr. Brady reminded the Board and guests that the code states no installation of potable water supply piping shall be made unclean, polluted, or contam- inated. Extensive discussion followed the presentation. The Members decided by the April meeting they would hope to have a recommendation. The meeting adjourned at 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary ST C Wd 9hlIS�J�'? 'aJ3 ro r � c > � �d (] H xz c� 0 F � �,o � � d 0 3 t�1 t� i-3 H RECD. LANSING BY: '90 flPR 17 flM 9 10 OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING April 12, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols , Tom Eifert, Steven Reck, John Brady MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Gunthorpe and Bob Burns INSPECTOR PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols , supported by Mr. Eifert, to approve the minutes of March 8, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: Mr. Charlie Watson, Representative of Watts Backflow Prevente-r s, showed a video tape which was very interesting and informative. Mr. Watson explained reinspection of the backflow and the type of program that Wayne County uses. The Board thanked Mr. Watson for his time and input. Chairman Brady gave each Board Member a copy of the City of Jackson and Kalamazoo' s ordinance on testing and regulating the cross- connection control program. OLD BUSINESS: A very lengthy discussion on the Appollo combination unit/hot water heater and heating coil took place. The Board Members agreed on the following probables: 1. Should someone close any one of the two gate valves at any time, especially during warmer months , the water would then become stagnat. 2. The possibility of the check valves malfunctioning, or lack of a check valve being installed, would cause the coil to remain hot during warmer months , therefore, the owner would possibly close the gate valve. 3. A few years after installation the coil may become corroded or plugged and needing to be cleaned. It is not unusual to clean the coils with chemicals that are harmful , or even fatal . `� � i Plumbing Board Mi.,..ces April 12, 1990 Page 2 The U.P.C. Chapter 10, Section 1002(b) deals with potable water and the use of chemicals , liquids , gases , etc. The Board felt that the referenced Section from the U.P.C. was very explicit, and recommending this system would be hazardous to public health and safety. The meeting was adjourned at 10:36 p.m. on a motion by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Reck. Respectfully sub itted, Joseph Delenay Secretary ro � r roc H �1 H z N . tb O 0 O H H z RECD. LANSING .ERK BY: '90 MY 30 PM aFMIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING May 10, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols, Tom Eifert, John Brady, Lynn Gunt orpe and Bob Burns MEMBERS ABSENT: Steve Reck STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney, Frank Eirosius, James Kzeski , Ralph " Goff The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Nichols , to approve the minutes of April 12, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: None NEW BUSINESS: Drain Layers exmainations were administered to the following four applicants: William Boughton - 84% Bill Begole - 84% James Chapman - 60% Larry Wicker - 76% Mr. Julius Raica, Jr. did not take the test due to the fact that his application was incomplete. Mr. William Krejcik, Mr. Larry McDonald, Mr. Marcus Metoyer, and Mr. Ernie Fox, all of the Lansing Mechanical Board, and Joe Sloane, private individual , were all present for a joint meeting requested by the Mechanical Board. The purpose of their presents was to discuss the installation of water heaters. Mr. Sloane presented a portion of the Mechanical Code from the City of Lansing Code of Ordinances, and Public Act 230, State of Michigan. These were presented, in part, because of the words "water heater" cited in them. Mr. Sloane felt very strongly about the fact that mechanical contractors should be able to take out permits to install water heaters. The Mechanical Board Members expressed that they felt the same way. � i (� � � .. Plumbing Board Minutes May 10, 1990 Page 2 Mr. Brady, Plumbing Board Chairman, stated that the Uniform Plumbing Code covers water heaters in its entirety, and that potable water supplies will only be installed by a licensed plumber. Mr. Brady also presented a letter from B.O.C.A. which was very explicit on their determination of water heaters. The letter stated that there was never an intent to permit a licensed mechanical contractor to install a water heater. The letter also stated that potable water is not covered in any mechanical codes or ordinances. The members of the Mechanical Board asked for a response from the Plumbing Board Members within 60 days. Mr. Brady explained that the next scheduled Plumbing Board meeting would not be until September. Mr. Brady advised the Mechanical Board Members that if " they had any more information on water heaters to please send it to the Plumbing Board. Both Boards thanked each other for taking the time to meet. The meeting was adjourned at 10:28 p.m. on a motion made by Mr. Gunthorpe, supported by Mr. Burns. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary i cD. ,iNSINC B Y. f"LERK �90 JUL 25 �!� 9 OFFICIAL��OCEEDINGS of the SPECIAL PLUMBING BOARD MEETING June 28, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols , Tom Eifert, John Brady and Bob Burns MEMBERS ABSENT: Steve Reck and Lynn Gunthorpe STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. The purpose of meeting was to review a Cost Allocation Study performed by David Griffith and Associates at the request of the City of Lansing. Mr. William Maxwell , representing David Griffith and Associates, was present to meet with the Board Members to explain the process used to establish fees for a 67.5% recovery of cost for the Plumbing Section, however, a 48% increase is being recommended to the Mayor. The consensus of the Board was that the recommended fee was quite high. It was noted that on repairs and remodeling, plumbers would neglect taking out a permit because the cost would be prohibitive, however, the Board did agree that a 5% increase would be justified at this time. The Board did, however, agree to the following increases: New single family dwellings, increase from $70 to $100; New two family units or multiple family units from $50 to $75; Manufactured housing, from $45 to $70; Hotels and motel units , from $25 to $50. The Board Members agreed that they would willingly work with the Administration. Respectfully submitted, /i,,7.ro, Delaney Secretary OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING September 13, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols, Steven Reck, Lynn Gunthorpe, John Brady and Bob Burns MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Eifert STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols, supported by Mr. Gunthorpe to approve the minutes of May 10, 1990, and June 28, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. Election of Officers John Brady was nominated for the position of Chairman. Mr. Brady accepted the nomination. The members unanimously approved Mr. Brady as Chairman. Tom Eifert was nominated for Vice-Chairman. The appoint- ment was unanimously supported by the Members OLD BUSINESS: Chairman Brady asked if any one had received more information from the Mechanical Board Members regarding the joint meeting of May 10, 1990. Since no more information had been received, the Board will continue to go with the U.P.C. on the installation of water heaters which is the official code adopted by the Lansing City Council . NEW BUSINESS: After review of the new Plumbing Permit Application and Fee Schedule, the Board recommended approval . The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joseph Delaney Secretary 00 fi Wd T 110 06, RECEIVED :Ae ik SEP 19 1990 •� ' MAYORS OFFICE CITY. OF, LANSING � �.7 f;,., ; � .� 1 � ._... ._... .„. .. ': � . i �f. .. { ��, .F. i i � �� r F. � '" � f } D. LAiaSING BY: 190 OCT 25 PIS 2 35 OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING October 11 , 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Steven Reck, Lynn Gunthorpe, Tom Eifert and John Brady MEMBERS ABSENT: Loren Nichols and Bob Burns STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7 :30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Eifert, supported by Mr. Reck, to approve the minutes of September 13, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: The Members unanimously agreed to forward a copy of the Plumbing Board Minutes from September 13, 1990, to the Mechanical Board. These minutes address the water heater issue that was discussed by both Boards at the May 10, 1990, Plumbing Board Meeting. NEW BUSINESS: Supr-flex gas piping system for interior use was presented to the Board. Discussion followed and the Board's recommendation was to wait for a recommendation from the IAPMO Research Committee. Lowflex, a mechanical joint made by Fernco, was also presented before the Board, and it was accepted because it had already received approval from IAMPO. The meeting adjourned at 9:02 p.m. Respectfully submitted, �U Joseph Delaney Secretary I� � �� t G � �� I . . �� i OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING November 8, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: Loren Nichols , Steven Reck, Tom Eifert, John Brady and Bob Burns MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynn Gunthorpe STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 7:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols , supported by Mr. Eifert to approve the minutes of October 11, 1990. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: More information was received about the Supr-Flex Gas Piping System, and the I .A.P.M.O. Research Committee should have a ruling on this material in the very near future. NEW BUSINESS: A Drain Layer's test was held for one applicant, Mr. Kim Draeger who passed with a 79%. Mr. Dale Goodrich appeared before the Board to ask for a variance to use vanities in front of water closets where the clearance between the vanity and water closet would be approximately 132" ; the Code requires 24" . The Board was sympathetic with Mr. Goodrich, however, they did state what the Code requires and why. It was recommended that Mr. Goodrich seek a variance from the Building Board of Appeals for the project located at 108 S. Hosmer since this Board has only advisory power. Due to a conflict, the December Board Meeting will be changed to Wednesday, December 12, 1990, at 6:30 p.m. The annual Christmas dinner will follow at 7:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at 9:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, U�osehlaney Secretary oT E Wd z3 HN 0GA -- M Oi'iS •i1;'� `C'L�� OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS of the PLUMBING BOARD MEETING December 12, 1990 MEMBERS PRESENT: John Brady, Bob Burns, Tom Eifert, Lynn Gunthorpe, Loren Nichols and Steven Reck MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Joseph Delaney and Frank Eirosius The meeting was called to order by Chairman Brady at 6:30 p.m. A motion was made by Mr. Nichols , seconded by Mr. Burns, to approve the minutes of the November 8, 1990 meeting. Motion carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: None NEW BUSINES: The Board reviewed the increase in permit fees listed in the proposed permit application fee schedule. After much discussion, it was unanimously agreed to recommend approval of the new fee schedule. The meeting was adjourned at 7:20 p.m. by a motion from Mr. Eifert, suppported by Mr. Gunthorpe. Respectfully submitted. Joseph Delaney Secretary ZS Z Wd 8 NUP T6 MITI r January 8, 1990 Honorable Mayor Terry i icKane and Members of the City Council Lansing, I+'Iichigan During the year 1989 the City of Lansing Plumbing Board has been working for an effective continuance of Uniform Plumbing Code implementation. Working with the Board of Water and Light and the State Health Department, the Plumbing Board is trying to find a workable plan for the reinspection of potable water backflow preventers to help ensure pure water for city residents. Variance requests on sections of the Plumbing Code were considered and acted on and new materials were examined and discussed. The Plumbing Board met' wi_th a Public Service -Department representa- tive to coordinate qualification procedures for Drain Layer License examination applicants. A permit fee. cost increase was supported by the Plumbing Board. These raises are due to higher economic costs. Chief Plumbing Inspector, Joseph Delaney, and Assistant Inspector, Frank Eirosi_us, have done an excellent job of enforcing the Plumbing Code and assisting citizens that had installation questions. The Plumbing Board held nine meetings from January through December 1989. Inspector Delaney attended every Plumbing Board meeting. Following is the board members attendance record for the year: Ieetings Attended Excused Absence John Brady 9 Robert Burns 8 1 Thomas 110ifert 7 2 Lynn Gunth.orpe 4 5 Lorne Nichols 9 3 Stephen Peck -page two- Mayor McKane/Plumbing Board Building Safety Director, James Kzeski, was helpful to the Plumbing Board in administrative matters during 1989. The Lansing Plumbing Board will continue to work for safe and effective plumbing for Lansing residents. Respectfully submitted,Y. fit� ?' itt City of Lansing Plumbing Board John H. Brady, Chairman rro n N- rt� 0 o n