HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002 Historic District Commission MinutesDraft to Clerk: 05/14/02
Approved: 08/ 01102
To Clerk: 08/07/02
To SHPO: 08/07/02
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING
Thursday, May 2, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
A. Roll Call: Kent Maher, Mary Toshach, Kevin Russell Webb
B. Excused Absences: Philip Mondro
C. Introductions: Bill Rieske, Principal Planner, Chair-pro-tem, Susan Cantlon, Historic
Preservation Planner
D. Guests: Sophia Koutouzos, 310 E. Hillsdale
George Stavrakis, 310 E. Hillsdale
Penny Strang, President, Cherry Hill Neighborhood Association
Marie Walker, Owner of 515 Cherry
Jeff Riley, PO Box 100, Mason, MI
Council Member Larry Meyer, representing MI Retailers Association, 603
S. Washington, and City Council
Tom Kosovec, Owner 505 Cherry
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Mr. Rieske suggested that in the absence of a quorum, subsequent to the Public Hearing
for HDC-1-2002, that the Commission adjourn to the Executive Committee so action can
be taken on this item.
Motion:
It was moved by Ms. Toshach; seconded by Mr. Webb to approve the agenda as
amended.
On a Voice Vote, the motion carried (3-0).
3. COMMUNICATIONS
a. A new report funded by the Michigan Historic Preservation Network on the Economic
Impact of Historic Preservation, Utilization of the State Historic Preservation Tax
Credit for Rehabilitation of Properties in Locally designated Historic Districts.
b. A National Park Service Historic Preservation Brief regarding painting historic
buildings.
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4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED)
a. HDC-1-2002, Request for Certificate of Appropriateness for Installation of Vinyl
Siding for a Structure at 515 Cherry Street in the Cherry Hill Historic District.
Susan Cantlon presented the case. This is a request by Marie Walker for approval
of the proposed residing of the building at 515 Cherry Street..
Vinyl siding was installed in 1986, and new vinyl siding was installed (without a
Building Permit in April, 2002) on approximately 90% of the building without removal
of existing insulation foam board;
• The work does not conform to Standard # 9 of the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings;
• The majority of defining architectural features surrounding the windows (except
the exception two small windows on the north side) and doors, and decorative
elements in the front gable were removed during a previous renovation;
• Small areas of exposed wood clapboard indicate mildew problems which may
indicate a more serious underlying moisture problem;
• The property is located in a local Cherry Hill Historic District;
• The building is a "contributing resource" in the district; and
• The owner may apply for State tax credits (ie. up to 25%) for rehabilitation work
consistent with the Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings.
TOM KOSOVEC, PROPERTY OWNER OF 505 and 527 CHERRY STREET. He
thinks that the building looks beautiful and aesthetically it looks in keeping with what
they are trying to do to preserve the appearance of the house.
From his view point, what troubles him is that he went through an inspection with
one of his properties. He had to pull a permit and as a result he had to go through a
rigorous process for compliance. This cost him a lot more money than he would
have spent. What he does not understand with this is how they got so far down the
line in this process with the siding already on the building without recognizing that
there is a process. He is interested in this because on one of his other properties he
would like to put vinyl siding on. Currently it has asbestos siding on`it and
underneath that is the clapboard. He has not done anything with the property, it
looks ugly from the outside and he is weighing in his mind the cost of maintenance if
he pulls the current siding off and leaves the clapboard.
Now, his question to the Committee is, "In light of this precedent here would he then
be able to pull a permit and have the same consideration on his property if they were
to understand that vinyl siding is a permissible alternative?" If they go forward with
this he will be knocking on their door to grant him approval to do this on his property.
He thinks that this is beautiful and from his perspective he would like to fix his
property up too, but he does not have the time to maintain paint and clap board.
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PENNY STRANG, PRESIDENT, CHERRY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
Her feelings are that they work very hard to get people to come into Cherry Hill and
invest their monies to fix it up and it seems that people always keep running into
surprises. She does not know if they were informed that their property was in a
Historic Area and she wonders why people are not made aware of that coming in.
She thinks it looks nice and she is here to support what has happened. Mr. Kosovec
came and he had an experience that they did not think that he was going to come
back. There are others in the neighborhood that have had horrific stories of dealing
with a Historical Commission and they are thinking that it is hard now. They need
help, not people throwing up road blocks. She said that they need to get their ducks
in order so they don't keep running into those situations. They definitely want people
to stay and buy the next house.
SOPHIA KOUTOUZOS, 310 E HILLSDALE. She has lived in her house for forty
(40) years. They have done a lot of things on her home and they have fought and
fought. They want to prevent heart aches. Their neighborhood is not a rich
neighborhood. The historic district is beautiful, but this district is not made of rich
people. There are 3 families living in these houses, the rest are rental houses. She
is concerned about what tenants do to the properties and it is hard. If they put
things on people telling them they have to do it their way who is going to keep up the
houses. Questions need to be answered in the neighborhood. She has lived there
so long and she knows all about this. Help them to stay in their homes as long as
they can. If she dies, her house will be rental property and there is going to be
nothing but rentals.
COUNCIL MEMBER LARRY MEYER, 2923 KIRKWOOD ROAD. His interest in this
area is not just being a member of the council. Prior to being a member of the
council, Michigan Retailers is the organization that he ran and they bought 603 S.
Washington, which is the Women's Club House. This is part of the neighborhood to
the west. He immediately made a connection to re-establish and work with the
Cherry Hill Neighborhood Association. There are land owners and owner occupied
homes that have stayed in that community and are the rich anchor of it and Ms.
Strang and everyone here are good land lords who take an interest in who their
tenants are and how they react in the neighborhood. This is a neighborhood that
has been impacted by a lot of spot zoning, so there are some tough rentals. These
are tough by the number of police calls that they have, and the type of infractions
that they have. Down more towards the river, which is a rich physical part because
of the park, they are working to try to improve the neighborhood by using the tools
that are available. But it is spot zoned with multiple and there is no other way to say
it, but some of those landlords don't take a real interest in the care of the property or
the behavior of their tenants that he would like, but he won't be judgmental. Also in
this area there are tax reverted lots where they have vacant land and they try to
keep that mowed so it does look good. Now, one of the things that they looked at
was a broad policy, when they look at the tools to re-establish neighborhoods. They
looked at the Historic District in this area and asked the question, "Did the district do
anything to improve the value of the property?" It did not. He does not know the
- reasons for it, it is just what the data said. Any increase in property value in this
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area has really been put forward where they have had very nice historic buildings
that have been rehabbed for reuse into commercial, including the Cherry Hill School.
There has been some architectural degradation to that. This is a general comment.
They are certainly going to support the people of the neighborhood and the people
here. There will be some way that they can bring this house on line with good
tenants and eventually turn it over to owner occupied if it moves to that direction but
he is interested in how they handle this when it moves through because he thinks
that everyone is aware that what they always hear is that the Historic District places
burdens on owners, whether owner occupied or not, takes it to a level of
gentrification that is not going to happen in an impacted neighborhood.
A gentleman asked a question regarding the 25% tax credit. He asked if you could
hire anyone you want or do you need to use someone they choose for you? (Ms.
Cantlon responded they can hire anyone they want or do the work yourself).
Mr. Kosovec said, but it has to conform with the criteria. In reference to the issue
with vinyl siding versus the clapboard. In other words, if he can't vinyl side, he will
put material that is not consistent with the requirements (Standards), and he is sure
he would not get the funding (tax credits). (Ms. Cantlon said the State Historic
Preservation Office makes the determinations regarding eligibility for the State tax
credits, not the Commission). Mr. Kosovec said then there is nothing that is dictated
as far as materials? (Ms. Cantlon indicated that the original wood clapboard siding,
and other architectural features and materials such as brackets, windows, window
are existing they should be retained and preserved. The Standards do not
recommend removal or covering these features. Removal or significantly changing
the architectural features and materials has an adverse effect on the character of
historic buildings. The SHPO reviews tax credit work in accordance with the
Secretary of the Interior's Standards and rehabilitation work for its continued original
use, or as an adaptive reuse). Mr. Kosovec said then there are auditors that come
out. (Ms. Cantlon said the SHPO reviews applications state wide, so they depend
on the applicant's before and after pictures and the records of what is being done.
Tax credits may be required to be repaid if work is done that is found to be
inconsistent with the Standards - ie. removal of significant architectural elements).
MARIE WALKER, APPLICANT, 515 CHERRY STREET. She appreciates everyone
who took the time to come and support them. She appreciates that they accelerated
this meeting for them. They purchased this house because they saw it as an
opportunity not only as an investment for themselves, but also because they new it
was a district that Cooley Students were interested in living in and they wanted to be
able to provide a very comfortable and clean house for them. She did not realize
that this was the process.
As far as addressing the comment on the building permit, she did sign a contract
with the Sider and the contract stated that he was responsible for pulling a permit.
We thought that he had done that and did not know otherwise until someone told
him to stop. That is when this whole process started. They thought they did go
through the process, but apparently that did not happen. Before talking with Ms.
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Cantlon, they did not see a problem with replacing something that they did not think
was very good looking with something that was very good looking. It is still not
finished because they do have other design elements like putting in the gables.
The siding that was on there was not the best looking stuff and it was cracking and
breaking. She said it looked like a couple cars hit it from the driveway that goes
around it and water was getting into it through the siding on the bottom. So, they
decided to make the investment to protect the house and purchase the siding to
reside it. They are not here only for them, but because they wanted to make the city
look good and provide a good place for students to live. Everybody that has lived
there and everyone that they are renting to are Cooley Students. They are screened
and run credit checks and hopefully they will have fine neighbors for them.
5. PUBLIC COMMENT
MARIE WALKER, 515 CHERRY. When they purchased this house, there was a bad
storm in September and a tree went through the roof and did a lot of damage in one of the
upper apartments. They have re -shingled it and repaired it, but the tree is still there and
causing damage and they would like to at least cut the branches away from the house so
they are not rubbing on the roof. They don't want this to happen again. Also, she is not
sure if the front of the house had an eaves trough or not, but they feel that it is needed to
protect the integrity of the structure and get the water away from the house. It would be
white eaves trough that would go over the white fascia so it would not be real visible, but
something that is needed.
Discussion ensued regarding the trees and gutters and down spouts for this property, and
the landscaping in Historic Districts.
6. PRESENTATIONS - none.
5. BUSINESS SECTION
Motion:
Ms. Toshach made the motion; seconded by Mr. Maher to adjourn to the Executive
Committee.
On a Voice Vote, the motion carried unanimously (3-0).
A. Executive Committee
HDC-1-2002, Request for Certificate of Appropriateness for Installation
of Vinyl Siding for a Structure at 515 Cherry Street in the Cherry Hill
Historic District.
Ms. Cantlon gave the staff report at the beginning of the public hearing.
Ms. Toshach said she would move to proceed with the understanding that, in
general, vinyl siding as a replacement is somewhat acceptable with close
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inspection of existing clapboard to make sure that they are not getting water
damage and covering up existing problems. Since in this case the majority
of the existing wood fabric, in terms of the details, the windows surrounds,
the pediments are gone, there is not a need to preserve those. If there are
some existing details, then the vinyl siding needs to be trimmed to maintain
that feature.
Ms. Koutouzos said let's suppose that these people do not want to change
anything on the house and suppose they never change the siding at all. Who
is to say that this house would not fall apart. Ms. Toshach said it could have
anyway even with the vinyl siding. Ms. Koutouzos said it would be damaged
anyway. Ms. Toshach said that is why she is saying since the siding is
existing they are not changing, they are upgrading.
Mr. Rieske noted the public comment period is over. This is a period of
discussion on the case among the Board members.
Motion:
Ms. Toshach made a motion; seconded by Mr. Webb, to approve the
issuance of a Notice to Proceed with the condition that:
a. There be close inspection of the original wood siding to identify any
existing moisture problems;
b. If any moisture problems exist, they be resolved before the vinyl work is
completed to prevent deterioration of the original siding;
c. The owner agrees to have her inspector provide a written report as to the
condition of the existing clapboard, and that any underlying moisture
problems have been resolved;
d. Vinyl cladding of the windows and two existing original windows on north
side, vinyl will be trimmed to match; and
e. The proposed installation of gutters, downpours and the trimming of trees
to prevent roof damage are included in the notice.
On a Voice Vote, the motion carried unanimously (3-0)
NOTE: The Commission did not approve a Certificate of Appropriateness
because the proposed work, while an improvement over the siding installed in
1986, does not conform to the Secretary of Interior's Standards.
2. HPP-1-2002, 744 N, Martin Luther King Blvd
Susan Cantlon presented the case. This is a request for Historic
Preservation (HPP) funds in the amount of $6,000 for the following exterior
rehabilitation work to the historic resource in the potential National Register
Old 41h Ward/Ionia Street Historic District:
_ Front porch - in keeping with the historic character, scale and materials of
the historic resource - new pier and concrete footings, new support
columns and floor joist system, new 1 x 4 tongue and groove fir floor
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boards, closed raised wood steps, new wood 1 x 6 skirting around
perimeter of porch, new guardrail with 2 x 2 turned spindles and handrail
(note: see administrative waiver included below). All wood to be primed
and painted;
Install new concrete sidewalk to front steps; and
According to the specs, all work will conform to the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings
Findinas:
Work conforms to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings
Recommendations:
Recommend approval of the request for historic preservation funds in an
amount up to $6,000 for the rehabilitation of the contributing historic structure
located at 744 N, Martin Luther King Blvd. with the following conditions:
a. The Development Office request an "administrative waiver" for guardrail
height (ie. to retain existing historic height) from the Building Safety
Manager prior to or at the time of a Building Permit Application;
b. The handrail be located on only one side of the front steps; and
c. Where application requires painting over existing old paint surfaces, the
paint be compatible with existing paint (ie. a high quality oil base since
historically houses were painted with oil based paints and a coat of latex
paint applied over old oil paint is more apt to fail -causing peeling
potentially within a year).
Motion:
Mr. Webb made the motion; seconded by Ms. Toshach, to recommend
approval of the request for historic preservation funds in an amount up to
$6,000 for the rehabilitation of the contributing historic structure located at
744 N, Martin Luther King Blvd. with the conditions listed above.
On a Voice Vote; the motion carried unanimously (3-0).
3. HPP-2-2002, 729 W. Saginaw St.
Susan Cantlon presented the case. This is a request for Historic
Preservation (HPP) funds in the amount of $6,000 for the following exterior
rehabilitation work to the historic resource in the potential National Register
Old 4th Ward/Ionia Street Historic District:
• Site work and grading of foundation for proper drainage away from
foundation and grass seeding;
• Roof decking and installation of new asphalt shingles and roof vent (see
recommendation for roof color and vent location), downspout repair;
• Repair to existing storm door (see recommendation regarding glass);
• Front porch - in keeping with the historic character, scale and materials of
the historic resource - new pier and concrete footings, new support
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columns (existing have significantly deteriorated due to moisture), and
floor joist system, new 1 x 4 tongue and grove fir floor boards, closed
raised wood steps, new wood 1 x 6 skirting around perimeter of porch
with 3 framed vent holes, new guardrail with 2 x 2 turned spindles and
handrail (note: see administrative waiver included below). All wood to be
primed and painted.
Exterior painting - appropriate preparation and paint application (see
recommendations for paint), and colors to be selected by owner and
Historic District Commission.
According to the specs, all work will conform to the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings
Findinas:
Work conforms to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings
Recommendations:
Recommend approval of the request for Historic Preservation (HPP) funds in
an amount up to $6,000 for the rehabilitation of the contributing historic
structure located at 729 W. Saginaw St. with the following conditions:
a. The new asphalt shingles be of a dark color which compliments the body
color of the house;
b. The roof vent be placed on the east side of the house in a location to
minimize its visibility from the street (opposite to the site of one-way traffic
also);
c. The Development Office request an "administrative waiver" for guardrail
height (ie. to retain existing historic height) from the Building Safety
Manager prior to or at the time of a Building Permit Application;
d. The handrail be located on only one side of the front steps;
e. The paint be compatible with existing paint (ie. a high quality oil base)
since historically houses were painted with oil based paints and a coat of
latex paint applied over old oil paint is more apt to fail -causing peeling
potentially within a year; and
f. The property owner meet with the Design Review Committee to develop
the exterior color palette and location of colors on the building.
Motion:
Mr. Maher made a motion; Seconded by Mr. Webb, to recommend approval
of the request for historic preservation funds in an amount up to $6,000 for
the rehabilitation of the contributing historic structure located at 729 W.
Saginaw St. with the above conditions.
On a Voice Vote, the motion carried unanimously (3-0).
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4. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station, Memorandum of Agreement and
Proposal for Demolition
A discussion ensued regarding:
• SHPO review process and Memorandum of Agreement;
• HDC first option for salvage of select architectural elements.
This was referred to the Design Review Committee.
5. 221 E. Hillsdale Street, Fire Damage, Potential "Demolition by Neglect"
Discussion ensued regarding:
• The owner would like to see this property restored, but is not able to
undertake the restoration. Owner is offering it for sale to private or non-
profit;
• GLHC has declined and Ferris Development is reviewing;
• The property is non -conforming for setbacks and possible parking, and
may require an application for a Class A through the Planning Board
• Wildflower problems in ROW.
This was referred to the Design Review Committee.
B. HDC Administration
1. Commission Chair and Vice Chair Nominations - this was moved to pending
until more members are added to the Commission.
2. Ethics Video - Training
Mary Toshach, Ken Maher and Philip Mondro still need ethics training - to be
scheduled.
3. Commission Training Workshop Reservations, Saturday, September 28,
2002
Kevin Russell Webb and Kent Maher are interested in this. This was moved
to pending.
C. Desian Review Committee
1. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station, Memorandum of Agreement and Proposal
for Demolition. (This was referred back to the Design Review Committee for
a recommendation).
2. 221 E. Hillsdale Street, Fire Damage, Potential "Demolition by Neglect"
(Discussion only).
3. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in a Historic District (e.g. re -roof)
(This was referred to the Executive Committee).
D. Education Committee
1. Historic Preservation Week Exhibit of Preservation Awards, "Preserving the
Spirit", National Theme.
Ms. Cantlon provided an update. Preservation week will be celebrated in
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conjunction with the HP Awards Reception, Wednesday, May 29, 2002.
2. Historic Preservation Week Preservation Awards Reception, Wednesday
May 29, 2002, 5:30 p.m. at Impression 5 Science Center, 200 Museum Drive,
Lansing.
Ms. Cantlon indicated the reception will be held in conjunction with the formal
opening of the Preservation Awards Exhibit and an Auto National Heritage
Area related exhibit sponsored by Impression 5, "Cruising the Gut".
E. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Work Plan
2. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
3. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS - none.
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS - none.
10. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Webb made a motion; seconded by Ms. Toshach to adjourn the meeting.
On a Voice Vote, the motion carried unanimously (3-0).
The meeting was adjourned at 7:00pm.
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING
Thursday, May 2, 2002
1. Staff Report
A. HDC-1-2002, 515 Cherry Street, Request to install vinyl siding on a contributing
resource in the Cherry Hill Historic District.
Findings
1. Work does not conform to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating
Historic Buildings;
2. Vinyl siding was installed in 1986, and new vinyl siding (without a Building
Permit in April, 2002) was installed on approximately 90% of the building
without removal of existing insulation foam board;
3. The majority of defining architectural features surrounding windows (except
two small windows on the north side) and doors, and in the front gable were
removed during a previous renovation;
4. Small areas of exposed wood clapboard indicate mildew problems which may
indicate a more serious underlying moisture problem;
5. The property is located in a local Historic District as a contributing structure
and is eligible for up to 25% in State tax credits for rehabilitation work
consistent with the Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings.
Recommendations:
Recommend issuance of a "notice to proceed" with the following conditions:
• the property owner first investigate and identify the underlying moisture
problem causing the mildew and correct the problem before completion of the
installation of the vinyl siding
• the property owner retain and preserve the two original windows on the north
side of the structure.
Staff further recommends that the property owner investigate the State tax credits
(up to 25%) available to property owners in local historic districts to rehabilitate
their historic buildings in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's Standards for
Rehabilitating Historic Buildings.
HPP-1-2002, 744 N, Martin Luther King Blvd, Request for historic preservation
funds in the amount of $6,000 for the following exterior rehabilitation work to the
historic resource in the potential National Register Old 41h Ward/Ionia Street
Historic District:
• Front porch - in keeping with the historic character, scale and materials of the
historic resource - new pier and concrete footings, new support columns and
floor joist system, new 1 x 4 tongue and grove fir floor boards, closed raised
wood steps, new wood 1 x 6 skirting around perimeter of porch, new guardrail
with 2 x 2 turned spindles and handrail (note: see administrative waiver
included below). All wood to be primed and painted;
? Install new concrete sidewalk to front steps; and
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• According to the specs, all work will conform to the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings
Findings:
1. Work conforms to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings
Recommendations:
Recommend approval of the request for historic preservation funds in an amount
up to $6,000 for the rehabilitation of the contributing historic structure located at
744 N, Martin Luther King Blvd. with the following conditions:
1. The Development Office request an "administrative waiver" for guardrail
height (ie. to retain existing historic height) from the Building Safety Manager
prior to or at the time of a Building Permit Application;
2. The handrail be located on only one side of the front steps; and
3. Where application requires painting over existing old paint surfaces, the paint
be compatible with existing paint (ie. a high quality oil base) since historically
houses were painted with oil based paints and a coat of latex paint applied
over old oil paint is more apt to fail -causing peeling potentially within a year.
C. HPP-2-2002, 729 W. Saginaw St., Request for historic preservation funds in the
amount of $6,000 for the following exterior rehabilitation work to the historic
resource in the potential National Register Old 4`b Ward/Ionia Street Historic
District:
• Site work and grading of foundation for proper drainage away from
foundation and grass seeding;
• Roof decking and installation of new asphalt shingles and roof vent (see
recommendation for roof color and vent location), downspout repair;
• Repair to existing storm door (see recommendation regarding glass);
• Front porch - in keeping with the historic character, scale and materials of the
historic resource - new pier and concrete footings, new support columns
(existing have significantly deteriorated due to moisture), and floor joist
system, new 1 x 4 tongue and grove fir floor boards, closed raised wood steps,
new wood 1 x 6 skirting around perimeter of porch with 3 framed vent holes,
new guardrail with 2 x 2 turned spindles and handrail (note: see administrative
waiver included below). All wood to be primed and painted.
• Exterior painting - appropriate preparation and paint application (see
recommendations for paint), and colors to be selected by owner and Historic
District Commission.
• According to the specs, all work will conform to the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings
Findings. 1. Work conforms to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings
l Recommendations:
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Recommend approval of the request for historic preservation funds in an amount
up to $6,000 for the rehabilitation of the contributing historic structure located at
729 W. Saginaw St. with the following conditions:
1. The new asphalt shingles be of a dark color which compliments the color of
the house;
2. The roof vent be placed on the east side of the house in a location to minimize
its visibility from the street (opposite to the site of one-way traffic also);
3. The Development Office request an "administrative waiver" for guardrail
height (ie. to retain existing historic height) from the Building Safety Manager
prior to or at the time of a Building Permit Application;
4. The handrail be located on only one side of the front steps;
5. The paint be compatible with existing paint (ie. a high quality oil base) since
historically houses were painted with oil based paints and a coat of latex paint
applied over old oil paint is more apt to fail -causing peeling potentially within
a year; and
6. The property owner meet with the Design Review Committee to develop the
exterior color palette and location of colors on the building.
Draft to Clerk: 06/13/02
Approved: 07/11/02
To Clerk: 07/19/02
To SHPO: 08/ 07/02
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING
Thursday, June 6, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
A. Roll Call: Philip Mondro, Kevin Russell Webb.
B. Excused Absences: Kent Maher, Mary Toshach.
C. Introductions: Bill Rieske, Principal Planner, Chair-pro-tem, Susan Cantlon, Senior
Preservation Planner,
D. Guests: Mary Getzmiller, 3215 W Mt Hope, current owner of 221 E. Hillsdale St.
Joyce Bowles, 220 E Hillsdale St.
Kristen Little, 440 Montclair, Howell
Michael Getzmiller, 3215 Mt Hope St.
Sophia Koutouzos, 310 E Hillsdale St.
George Staurakis, 310 E Hillsdale St.
Penny Strang, 6218 Brookline Ct.
Yip Tan, 606 Cherry St.
Janet Monra, 2195 Heritage
GP Burch, 217 E Hillsdale St.
Kevin Schumacher, 533 S Grand Ave.
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Because there was not a quorum, the agenda was not approved.
3. COMMUNICATIONS
A. Letter from YIP TAN, president of TAN FINANCIAL SERVICES, regarding City of
Lansing Notice of Public Hearing HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale Street.
B. Letter from Mr. John A Schiessler, property and business owner at 210 E. Hillsdale
St., regarding City of Lansing Notice of Public Hearing HDC-3-2002.
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED)
a. HDC-2-2002, 208 N. Walnut Street, Ottawa/Walnut Street Historic District,
Request to tear off existing shingles and install new roof asphalt shingles.
Sue Cantlon presented the case. This was a request by Dave Anderson, owner of
the property at 208 N, Walnut St., for a Certificate of Appropriateness regarding a
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 6, 2002, Page 2
building permit application to the tear off existing asphalt shingles and install new
asphalt roof shingles on historic resource in the local Ottawa/Walnut Street
Historic District.
The Historic District Commission's review of this building permit is in accordance
with Section 1220.06 of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Lansing.
DAVE ANDERSON, PROPERTY OWNER OF 208 N. WALNUT STREET. Dave
Anderson stated that he bought the building in approximately 1990. At that time the
roof was bad. They have done some repairs. He does not think that the proposed
roof shingles were available when the building was bought. It is the triangle shaped
(hipped) asphalt shingled roof.
He is planning on installing Chateau green colored asphalt roof shingles. He had
applied to the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) and they approved the color
and materials for rehabilitation tax credits.
He stated that he had been in touch with Mr. Lijewski at the state office and is in
close contact with Sue Cantlon. He then stated that they would be delivering the
roofing material tomorrow (06/07/02).
b. HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale Street, in the Cherry Hill Historic District.
Restoration or demolition of fire -damaged structure.
This was a public hearing regarding the possible restoration or demolition of a fire -
damaged historic resource located in the Cherry Hill Historic District, owned by
Mary Getzmiller.
The Historic District Commission's review of the possible restoration of this building
permit is in accordance with Section 1220.06 of the Codified Ordinances of the City
of Lansing. The Commission's review of the possible demolition of this building is in
accordance with Section 1220.07 of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Lansing.
Sue Cantlon presented the case.
Kristen Little, daughter of gentleman who is in the process of purchasing the fire -
damaged structure at 221 E. Hillsdale St. and wishes to restore it, spoke on behalf
of herself and her father.
KRISTEN LITTLE, 440 MONTCLAIR, HOWELL. She stated that her father does
business in Detroit, Lansing, and Flint. She was not sure how her father became
aware of the home, but he is the one who is interested in acquiring the building and
restoring it.
After hearing all of the public comments on the case, she stated that she had a copy
JT of the Cherry Hill Preservation Standards (Secretary of Interiors Standards for
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Rehabilitation] and she had tried to familiarize herself with them. She made sure
that she had the most recent version.
SOPHIA KOUTOUZOS, 310 E. HILLSDALE. She asked Kristen what her father is
going to do with the house. Kristen answered that once they have it in rule book
[standards] condition they want to sell it. She [Sophia] then asked how long it would
take for the restorations. Kristen stated that she was not sure, but she thinks at
least four months.
YIP TAN, 606 CHERRY. He asked Kristen if she knew how much it would cost to
restore the structure. She answered that she and her father were in the process of
trying to get some estimates. She also added that they knew that the work would
be expensive. He then asked if she had any ballpark figures. She then answered
that their preliminary estimate is $45,000. He then asked if she knew what the
insurance people said about how much it would take to restore the building. She
asked if there was something he would like to tell her. He responded by saying he
was asking a question. He thought as a buyer, she would be concerned about that.
(Mr. Rieske stopped the questions and asks them to direct their comments to the
board, noting they should not be engaging in dialogue with the applicant).
Mr. Tan stated that he lives in the area and has an office there (606 Cherry St.)
called Financial Planning. He is interested in making sure the area keeps improving.
He does not think that the house has adequate parking because it sits within inches
on either side of the other property to the east. He believes that whoever will live
there will have problems with their neighbors, which he stated had already been the
case. He stated that he had to do a stake survey. It showed that if a person were to
use the door on the east side of house [221 E. Hillsdale], they would be stepping
onto his property. Therefore he stated that this door could not be used. He stated
that in certain areas, the width of the area between the houses is smaller than the
width of a car.
Mr. Tan believes that the person buying the property needs to fully understand
limitations before proceeding to restore it in its present location. He does not want
to restore a house and put new asbestos when it had asbestos in it originally.
He feels that restoration is not the way to go if it is going to promote cramped living
conditions. He thinks that the restoration could take place in a different way, by
moving the building to sufficient land.
Mr. Tan stated that the insurance company said that the damage was too much and
it was not worth being repaired. He believes that even if someone were to do a
profound job on restoration, it would affect the community negatively and would be
unsafe.
He stated that there would be no place for guests to park. He also stated that
businesses have already had problems when they are gone with people illegally
parking in their lots.
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He just wants to make sure that the money is well spent and it is good for
everybody.
PENNY STRANG, 6218 BROOKLINE CT. She owns property on Cherry Street.
One of her concerns was the landscaping. She wondered what plans were being
made for that and if the historical district has any control over the landscaping.
Ms. Strang was concerned also about the parking, because at the house next door,
the cars are parked right in front of the house, which she did not think was allowed.
She stated that there are two concrete parking spaces in their front yard. She
believes that it would end up too crowded. She stated that it has always been an
issue. She wished there were more bids and information to see.
Ms. Strang wondered about the size of the lot that the fire -damaged home sits on.
She knows of numerous areas in Cherry Hill that are not legal size lots to build a
house on. She knows of one lot on the corner of East St. Joe and Cherry. It was
tore down which then made the lot an illegal size lot. She asked if this was the same
situation.
GARY BURCH, 217 E. HILLSDALE. He lives next door to the fire -damaged house.
He has been living there for a year. His concern was also the restoration. He does
not understand why that if the insurance company won't pay for the damages, why
someone else thinks that they can come in and restore it.
They city awarded him a preservation award with no money from the city, and he
was concerned about the money. He stated that it took him hundreds of thousands
of dollars to just bring his home up to code. This did not include doing any of the
exterior surfacing [rehabilitation].
Mr. Burch also stated that the reason he has two parking slots in the front of his
home as mentioned, is because he has a son in a wheelchair. He stated that they
went through the city and the city approved it.
He and Preservation Standards asked the Commission if the new owners of the
house will be required to bring it up to code inside and outside. (Sue Cantlon
answers that they have to meet the City Building Codes.) He then asked if this
would be inspected by the city to make sure everything is brought up to code.
He was concerned also about the landscaping. He does not want the whole district
to look how the property presently looks. He stated that he tries to keep his property
up and just wants fairness.
KEVIN SCHUMACHER, 533 S. GRAND. He was in favor of the property being
restored. However, he did not feel that the Commission had enough information to
report, because at that point all they had discussed was to restore it or demolish it.
He noted that there was not a purchaser at the time the public hearing was
scheduled.
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He stated that he was one -hundred percent behind someone restoring the building.
However, he does not feel that it can be done for $45,000 and to do it the way he
would do it.
Mr. Schumacher feels that the commission should not rule in favor (of a certificate of
appropriateness) until they actually get a plan that states, "this is what we are going
to do", because for all he knew, they want to put asphalt siding on and just staple it
to the building. At that standpoint, he would not support restoration because it would
not be consistent with the historical neighborhood.
He believes that the people who buy the home would be in perfect position to get tax
credits if they restore it properly.
His primary concern was the exterior of the house. He stated that he and Gary
Burch have spent a lot of money to make their property look nice.
He was not concerned with the parking. He stated that the homes have been and
always will be in close proximity to one another and moving is not an option.
He urged the Commission to say "come back in six weeks and let us know your
plan" before ruling in favor of the restoration.
MARY GETZMILLER, 3215 W. MOUNT HOPE. She is the current owner of the
building.
She wanted to know who had been talking to her insurance company and where
they got information that she has not heard. She also asked what credential they
gave so the insurance company would tell them the information.
Mrs. Getzmiller thought that perhaps nobody in the room understood the historical
value of the house. She stated that it is right out of the Gustav Stickley Craftsman
Catalog and is listed as plan number 79. She also stated that it is the first house in
Lansing to be built in the Arts and Crafts style. She asked the people in the room
who wanted the house destroyed to think about that.
When asked by Commissioner Philip Mondro what was preventing her from doing
the restorations herself, she stated that she had been severely handicapped as a
result of the fire and cannot walk up and down stairs due to the damage in her lungs.
He then asked her how long she had lived in the house. She responded that she
had lived there forty five years. She was then asked if she placed significant value
in the house and what happens to it in the future. She stated that she certainly did.
She said that she had done research on the house. However, she had no
documents because all of them were lost in the fire.
COMMISSIONER PHILIP MONDRO (asked questions of the buyer). He
commended Kristen and her father for taking the action of wanting to restore it. His
concern was if she was educated enough to do it the right way.
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 6, 2002, Page 6
Mr. Mondro suggested she educate herself to know what is ahead of her as it relates
to exterior and interior improvements, being consistent with the neighborhood
standards, and being aware of what her risk liabilities would be.
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS - none
6. PRESENTATIONS- none
5. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of May 2, 2002 minutes.
B. Executive Committee - None.
C. HDC Administration
D. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Work Plan
2. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
3. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
SUSAN CANTLON. Mrs. Cantlon recommended that upon finalizing the closing on the
building, It should be secured to prevent animals or vandals from accessing the structure
to protect the property.
PHILIP MONDRO. Mr. Mondro noted that after going through a rehabilitation process
himself, neighbors are the biggest assets. He recommended that the buyers make
friends with their neighbors the best they can. He also stated to learn from what they
have done in the past and make sure it is successful. He commended the buyer for
taking on the project and moving forward with it.
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
SUE CANTLON. Mrs. Cantlon stated that the Commission sponsors the Annual
Preservation Awards in May. It is an ongoing activity for the commission to make
recommendations of properties to be nominated for next years preservation awards.
10. ADJOURNMENT
Bill Rieske stated that the rest of the business could only be taken at another meeting
since there was no quorum . He stated that the comments from the public hearing would
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES June 6, 2002, Page 7
be put into the record, then they would move forward.
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The meeting adjournrr at 6:30 PM.
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING
Thursday, June 6, 2002
1. Staff Report
A. HDC-2-2002, 208 N. Walnut Street, request to tear off and install new asphalt
shingles on the historic resource located in the Ottawa/Walnut Historic District.
Findings:
1. Work conforms to Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings.
2. The property is located in a local Historic District, is a contributing structure
and is eligible for up to 25% in State tax credits for rehabilitation work
consistent with the Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitating Historic
Buildings. The owner intends to apply for the tax credits.
Recommendations:
Recommend issuance of a "Certificate of Appropriateness" with the following
conditions:
The asphalt roof shingles be of a dark color and compliment the body of the
house.
B. HDC-3-2002, 221E. Hillsdale Street, public hearing for the restoration or
demolition of a historic resource located in the Cherry Hill Historic District.
Recommendations:
1. Following the public hearing, refer to the Design Review Committee for
review and recommendations.
C. HPP-3-2002, 425 N. Magnolia Street, request for historic preservation funds in
the amount of $6,000 for the following exterior rehabilitation work to the historic
resource in the potential National Register Eastside Neighborhood Historic
District:
• According to the specs, all work will conform to the Secretary of Interior's
Standards for Rehabilitating Historic Buildings;
• Exterior painting of all siding and trim on the entire exterior surfaces of the
structure, including overhangs, soffits, fascia, window frames, sash, sills,
doors, frames and trims will meet the requirements of CFR1926.62 (OSHA),
40 CFR part 745 (EPA) and 24 CFR Parts 36 and 37 (HUD) regarding interim
controls and safe practices for lead abatement;
• Paint colors to be verified with owner and HDC Design Review Committee;
• As per consultation with the SHPO, window sash replacements will be made
with wood thermopane sash replacement kits to preserve the appearance of the
windows and retain the divided lights to match the original;
• Window and door trims will be wrapped with aluminum using CAUTION to
preserve the relief appearance of the original trims;
• Replacement of original deteriorated wood storm door, windows and screens
with white enamel finished aluminum storm doors and windows
`J Tear -off and re -roof with in -kind asphalt roofing shingles. Color to be
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verified with owner and HDC Design Review Committee;
Removal of existing rear entrance door and replacement with new solid steel,
prehung insulated to match existing as closely as possible;
Remove and replace existing basement windows (4) with glass block and vent
assembly; and
Install new rear wood (ie. pressure treated ) exterior steps and landing with
enclosed sides, and wood handrails and guardrails with 2 x2 spindles or
balusters.
Findings:
1. Work is compatible with the Secretary of Interior's Standards for
Rehabilitating Historic Buildings
Recommendations:
Recommend approval of the request for historic preservation funds in an amount
up to $6,000 for the rehabilitation of the historic structure located at 425 N.
Magnolia Street with the following conditions:
1. The new asphalt roof shingles be dark in color to compliment the body of the
house (owner to consult with Design Review or Preservation Planner); and
2. CAUTION is used to preserve the relief appearance of the original trims when
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Dept. of Ph ►ra4 & Neighborhood Development
316 N. Capitol Avenue Suite D-1
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Ref. City of Lausiq Notice of Public Hearing
HDM-3-2402, 22l L, Hillsdale Street
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With reference to the above, there are certain facts that should be nnade public before a decision is
to be made.
As owner of the hose to the east of'221 l?. Hillsdale, I find it pertitlent to ittform you that a stake
survey which I ordered in August of 1999 reveals that a door on the east wall of 221 E. Hillsdale
n of be opened without encroaching on 223 East Rllsadale_ 221 Past Tfillsdall; sits within
inches of the property line to the east such that a severely malnvurishod W4 year old anointed
with Vaseline may have only a sl'. of char of slipping through the ajar door if it wet'e to be
opened only up to the property .line, andassuming that he succeeds„ would find himself stepping
onto tho r1eighborr9 property. Enclosed is a copy of the atAe survey.
The Houses in this block wen obviously oonstructed at a time when there was neither regud for
parking of automobiles iaor zonin8 regulations as we know them today. As a result, scarcity of
parking and overly dense construction withhit# a lot, some of which sit wztbiu inches of the
property line or on it, render these edifices functiowlly obsolescent, and ut=&, as the fire that
started at 221 E. Hillsdale which also m*PA considerable d mage to the two nl�xt to it cle4tly
demonstrates. A car parked in the driveway of 223 E, Hillsdale was also engu,lfld is flames.
Tenants at 223 E. Hillsdale have expmst:d that they were able to hear conversations next door,
not surprising since the houses are apart by less than the width of a oar.. The question to be
posed is ' Would sorvone seekin.8 to build such a structure on that lot in tho same exact
dimensions, in the saute enact position, W gm)ted permission to do so today...„ "Are today's
housing codes and zoraatag actions to be violated in such an undertaking 2 Are wo
compromising ttae safety of the neighbors, or of the future Wha►biw(s) of the property itself?"
To the proponents of historical preservation and lovers of period homes, of which I atu
unabashedly one, there is aacther option .-purchaser ofthe home can apply far it to be moved to
as approved !a bon where it ,an be restorcd to its original state.
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Tho buyer should also be trade aware of W the, Rmitafions that cm mot be removed if the property
was to be repaired at its orig�l loeatioxt even after expending inordinate surra of money and
effort, On the other lid, a perftwotory mhabilitaflon of the property er'rtpbasixed by
rnLnimizatioa of costs will surely not serve the community well especially if it also results in
crammed, squalid I AAS conditions and towering of property values.
The past decade has seen some, gentxifieation in the Cherry Hill neighborhood, atbeit at a slow
rate, As part ofthe Cherry Hill neighborhood association and as one who has an offloe $s well as
a residence in the area, I am sure I am not alone in being concern that anything that ruAy d1minish
property values should be thotooshly investigated.
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JOHN A. SCMESSLER, D.D.S., P.O.
210 EAST HILLSDALE
LANSING, MICHIGAN 45088
T$vsesoxa 407.9401
June 6, 2002
Mr. James A. Ruff
Dept. of Planning and Neighborhood Development
316 N. Capitol Avenue - Suite D-1
Lansing, MI 48933
Reference: City of Lansing Notice of Public Hearing
HDC-3-2002
Dear Mr. Ruff:
As the business owner and property owner at 210 E. Hillsdale, I would recommend
that the structure located at 221 E. Hillsdale be demolished. It has been
a public nuisance and hazard for over a year. I appreciate the fact that it
is located in an historic district, but that does not change the fact that it
is a safety and health hazard. There has been garbage accumulating for over
a year as well as animals running in and out of the structure. There are
sharp pieces of glass hanging from the windows.
There is also the question of parking availability. If this house was to be
restored, where would all of the trucks and equipment be parked? There is
not enough room on the property and the street is usually full with cars belonging
to clients of the area businesses. There are.three parking lots on the street
which.are owned .by private businesses and ARE. NOT AVAILABLE to the general
public at any time:
If the restoration is approved, I would like to recommend that the over grown
brush located between the street and sidewalk be removed. It is the only
property in this area that has been allowed to get away with letting their
yard go wild. It is not an attractive natural setting, it grows wild all
summer and is an eyesore.
Sincerely,
John A. Schiessler D.D.S. .
Property and business owner
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Draft to Clerk: 07/ 24/02
Approved: 08/01 /02
To Clerk: 08/07/02
To SHPO: 08/ 07/02
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Thursday, July 11, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair, Kevin Webb, called the meeting to order at 5:39 pm.
A. Roll Call:
Present: Kent Maher, Whitney Miller (new appointment), Curtis Sonnenberg (new
appointment), Mary Toshach, Kevin Webb. Philip Mondro arrived at 5:50 pm.
B. Excused Absences: None. Three vacancies.
C. Introductions: Staff, Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner and Bill Rieske,
Principal Planner, Chair-pro-tem.
D. Guests: Annie Green, 1319 W. Hillsdale
Theatrice Verser, 112 W. Allegan
Mattie Blair, Everett Drive
Bill Cantlon
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
It was moved by Ms. Toshach and seconded by Mr. Webb to approve the agenda with an
amendment to move item B(1)(b) HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale, to Pending item D(1)(e),
since the applicant has not provided a complete application packet with photos or
renderings. On a voice vote, the motion carried (5-0).
3. COMMUNICATIONS - None.
4. HEARINGS - None.
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS - none
6. PRESENTATIONS - none
5. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of Minutes:
1. May 2, 2002 Staff requested that the approval of the May 2, 2002 minutes be
moved to pending to provide opportunity for further review.
2. June 6, 2002 It was moved by Ms. Toshach and seconded by Ms. Miller to
approve the June 2, 2002 minutes. On a voice vote, the motion
Historic District Commission Minutes. July 11. 2002 Paae 2.
carried (4-0), with one (1) abstention.
Commissioner, Philip Mondro arrived.
B. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee
a. HDC-2-2002, 208 N, Walnut Street, Ottawa/Walnut Street Historic District,
Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness.
S. Cantlon reported the public hearing for HDC-2-2002 was held and action
requested at the June meeting to address an emergency re -roof at 208 N.
Walnut Street. The request was for replacement of a roof with asphalt
shingles on an American Four -square house that previously had asphalt roof
shingles. The property is located in the Ottawa/Walnut Historic District.
The commission lacked a quorum to take action at the June meeting. The
applicant has applied to the SHPO for the state tax credits also. The State
has approved the application.
S. Cantlon noted the application appears to meet Secretary of the Interior's
Standards #1, 2, 4, and 6.
A motion was made by Ms. Toshach and seconded by Mr. Maher to approve
the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to re -roof the structure at
208 N. Walnut Street. On a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (6-0).
b. HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale, Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness.
HDC-3-2002 has been tabled and put under D(1)(e) Pending items.
c. 1-111313-3-2002, Request for $6000 in Historic Preservation Funds for the
Rehabilitation for a Historic Resource at 425 N. Magnolia.
S. Cantlon presented the request for historic preservation funds (HPP-3-2002)
to rehabilitate the exterior of the structure at 425 N. Magnolia (see staff report,
June 6, 2002). The property is a contributing resource in the potential Eastside
Neighborhood Historic District, and therefore eligible for federal funds (i.e.,
subject to 106 Review for impact on historic resources).
The request is made by the Development Office on behalf of the owner, up to
$6000, the maximum funds available for exterior work to structure on an
interior lot. The commission reviews and makes recommendations for
approval of federally funded projects (i.e., subject to 106 Review for impact on
historic resources) which meet the criteria for historical significance, as
determined by the SHPO in this case.
The request includes:
1. Painting exterior surfaces of the structure including: siding, trim, doors,
door frames, fascia, soffits, and overhangs. The commission works with
the owner to select historic colors on HPP projects.
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Paae 3
2. Replacement of window sashes with wood replacement kits (i.e., similar to
original features in material and appearance, including divided lights);
3. Wrapping the window and door trims with aluminum, retaining the
relief/profile appearance of the wood trim (as discussed with Robbert
McKay, SHPO) to address high level of lead content;
4. Removal of existing roof asphalt shingles, replacement of roof decking and
installation of new asphalt shingles (replace in -kind);
5. Removal of original deteriorated wood screen doors and windows and
replacement with new white enamel finished aluminum storm doors and
windows to address lead abatement issue (also approved by SHPO in spec
review).
A Certificate of Appropriateness to do work in compliance with the Secretary of
the Interior's Standards is not required since this structure is not located in a
locally designated historic district.
The proposed work conforms to the Secretary of Interior Standards #1, 3, & 6.
A motion was made by Ms. Toshach, seconded by Mr. Maher to approve HPP-
3-2002, a request for up to $6,000 to rehabilitate the structure at 425 N.
Magnolia Street.
- A discussion ensued regarding the following issues:
• whether the Commission approves color finishes in preservation funded
projects,
• whether the original windows, doors and trim were wood,
• if the building is aluminum sided,
• potential HP funding amounts of up to $6,00 for interior lots and up to
$12,000 for corner lots,
• existing siding is not being removed,
• role of commission in reviewing and approval of HP funds if the property is
located in a potential district and not a historic district designated locally by
ordinance,
• 106 Review process,
• encasement of window and door trims and replacement of storm windows
and doors with aluminum storms (as specs approved by SHPO),
• income -based (i.e., owner/occupant) eligibility for funds,
• roof condition and replacement need,
• cost estimates by Development staff prior to bid process,
• commission recommendation on historic paint colors for HP funded
projects,
• roof shingles to be of dark color to compliment the house body,
• clarification of HDC cases for requests for Certificate of Appropriateness
which is for a permit to do exterior work in locally designated historic
districts, and HPP cases for funding requests to rehabilitate historically
significant homes whether in or out of a locally designated historic district,
• review of completed work for compliance.
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On a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously to approve the request for up
to $6,000 (HPP-3-2002) to rehabilitate the structure at 425 N. Magnolia (6-0).
d. Schedule special Executive Committee meeting for Lansing Avenue
Pumping Station (LAPS).
Cantlon reported that the City of Lansing Public Service Department submitted
a draft study report that proposes the demolition of the Lansing Avenue
Pumping Station to accommodate an equalization basin. The Public Service
Department (PSD) report indicates it is not feasible to retain the Lansing
Avenue Pumping Station (LAPS) if an equalization basin is constructed.
There is a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) concerning the LAPS (located
north of Willow Street, off Lansing Avenue), a copy of which is included in the
draft study report. The PSD requested a review and recommendations from
the HDC by July. Cantlon recommended scheduling an Executive Committee
or Design Review Committee meeting at the site. Recommendations would
be made to the Commission, Planning Office and ultimately to the Public
Service Department and State Historic Preservation Office. (New
commissioners will be mailed a copy of the study).
=" A discussion ensued about the memberships of the subcommittees and LAPS
study:
• four members serve on the Executive Committee, Commission Chair
(vacant), the Vice Chair (K. Webb), and chairs of the Design Review
(vacant), and Education (K. Maher),
• under Rules and Procedures, committee members elect chair,
• inquiry about any studies conducted by the SHPO regarding the
significance of pumping stations,
• Planning Manager's recommendation to consider the feasibility of removing
the pump station interior equipment and siting the equalization basin within
the structure - potential moisture problems, scale
• alternative consideration - feasibility of moving the structure, possibly to the
north end of the site,
• feasibility of renovating the old pumping station to accommodate modern
needs,
Mr. Rieske recommended scheduling one meeting to review both the LAPS
project and the fire -damaged, 221 E. Hillsdale Street building. S. Cantlon
indicated the representative for 221 E. Hillsdale was ill and would not be
available to meet until July 18 or later.
S. Cantlon she will try to schedule a meeting with a representative from Public
Service (Jim Spangler is no longer with PSD) to meet with the HDC on site.
2. Desian Review Committee- None.
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S. Cantlon indicated a Design Review Committee meeting could be scheduled
in conjunction with the Executive Committee meeting to review pending items,
HDC-3-2002 and LAPS disposition. She also noted a chair was needed for
the Design Review Committee. Mary Toshach, a member of the committee
agreed to act as chair to call the meeting. Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg
and Kevin Webb will serve on the Design Review Committee also.
A discussion ensued about the Secretary of Interior's Standards and
Guidelines.
3. Education Committee- None.
K. Maher chairs the committee. Members, W. Miller, M. Toshach and K. Webb
will serve also.
C. HDC Administration
Commission Chair and Vice Chair Nominations - The nominations will be made
at the August meeting and elections will be held at the September meeting.
2. Elections, Chairs of Design Review and Education Committees
a. Mary Toshach is acting -chair of Design Review Committee with members
Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg, and Kevin Webb serving on the
committee.
b. Kent Maher is chair of Education Committee with members
Whitney Miller, Mary Toshach, and Kevin Webb serving on
the committee.
3. Ethics Video -Training (08/01/02)
It was recommended the ethics video (approx.12 minutes long) be shown
during the August HDC meeting and forms signed at that time.
4. NACP-Commissioner Training Workshop, Saturday, September 28, 2002.
S. Cantlon asked commissioners wishing to attend the training workshop,
sponsored by the SHPO and the National Alliance of Preservation
Commissions, to complete their registration forms. She stated the workshop
fee will be sponsored by the City of Lansing Planning Office.
Commissioners planning to attend workshop: Maher, Miller, Mondro,
Sonnenberg, Toshach, and Webb.
5. Commission membership status (6 members, 3 vacancies).
S. Cantlon noted at least one of the three vacancies should be filled with an
architect if possible. Members must be residents of the City of Lansing, and
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have a demonstrated interest in, or knowledge of historic preservation. Cantlon
requested recommendations from the commission.
D. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. Approval of Minutes: November 5, 2001
December 6, 2001
May 2, 2002
b. HDC Work Plan
S. Cantlon noted the commission needs to complete an annual work plan with
the Planning Office. This involves setting goals for the Education Program,
preservation planning, on -going survey work and submission of grants.
c. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft #6, (Dated 11/29/01)
City Council has made recommendations regarding changes to the Historic
District Ordinance. Draft #6 was reviewed by the HDC and recommendations
made to the Planning Manager. A memo was sent to the Council with
comments/recommendations from the staff and HDC.
The recommendations made by the staff and the Commission in the past have
reflected an interest and concern that the Ordinance be as consistent with the
enabling Act, as possible - to minimize potential for future conflicts and to
maintain Lansing's certification as a certified local government (ensuring State
grant funding opportunities).
d. Requests for Established of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
S. Cantlon reported the River Point Neighborhood made a request to the HDC
and City Council, approximately two years ago, for the establishment of a local
historic district for their neighborhood. Their request was copied to the City
Clerk's Office. The HDC recommended a study committee be appointed. At
the same time an Intensive Level Survey was in process, funded by a match
grant between the SHPO and the City of Lansing, administered by the
Planning Office. The survey was completed and the report recommended a
National Register designation and/or establishment of a local River Point
Neighborhood Historic District. (This neighborhood area is a historic resource
in the Lansing Hub District, for the recently designated Automobile National
Heritage Area which is a affiliated with the National Parks Service).
The ordinance requires a study committee be appointed, to conduct research
(which could include use of the survey report) and make recommendations.
The study committee has not been established.
-- The neighborhood includes the newly established REO Town Commercial
Association which is applying for a Main Street designation. There may be a
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renewed interest in a local district or National Register Historic District. More
education is needed.
e. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
A brief discussion ensued regarding emergency permits. Item will be reviewed
and recommendations will be made by the Design Review Committee.
Amendments to the Ordinance may be required also. B. Rieske noted the
HDC may need to establish procedures for ratifying staff decisions regarding
permit approvals.
2. Design Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station-MOA & Proposal for Demolition - None.
b. 221 E. Hillsdale Street - None.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
P. Mondro inquired about the S. Washington Avenue railroad depot and its
significance. He wanted to know if it is classified as a contributing structure to that
area. S. Cantlon responded the depot is listed on the National Register of Historic
Places, however that does not protect it from demolition or major changes. Inclusion
in a locally designated historic district (i.e., by Ordinance) provides the maximum
opportunity for protection since exterior changes (including permits for proposed
demolition) are reviewed by the HDC.
S. Cantlon reiterated the need for more education in this area. Neighboring property
owners are under the misconception that the National Register designation means it
cannot be demolished. She noted the need to continue educating the property
owner about the significance (locally, regionally, nationally) and incentive programs.
It is hoped this will encourage the owner to consider adaptive reuse of the structure.
M. Toshach inquired about the possibility of a single resource designation. Cantlon
responded that the state (i.e., for the tax incentives) is evaluating "single resources"
as to their relationship, if any, with the surrounding area - potentially related a larger
district.
Further discussion ensued about the depot being included in the proposed River
Point Neighborhood:
• the depot, as a National Register structure, would contribute to the historic
district and be subject to HDC review (i.e., guidelines) for exterior changes,
• it would be eligible for federal (20%) as well as state (additional 5%) tax credits,
• a study committee was not appointed (a requirement of the ordinance for
establishing historic districts),
• a consultant report, funded by the city and state could be used by a study
committee in its preliminary and final reports,
• Council's position on historic districts is to support the establishment if there is a
demonstrated interest by a majority of the property owners,
• ciyt does not want to take a top down approach, but a grass roots approach form
those who are affected,
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• catch 22, if a study committee is not appointed, then a request by the
neighborhood to establish a historic district (by ordinance) cannot proceed,
• the residential neighborhood requested the historic district, however the
commercial district is not on board yet,
• residential goals vs commercial goals - who speaks for the neighborhood,
• need for more education to get study committee reports/recommendations
adopted,
• owner knowledge of any history associated with their property,
• staff and HDC review and recommendations have been forwarded to Council
regarding Draft #6 of Council's proposed Ordinance revisions,
• who conducts research for the study (i.e., Committee, staff, consultant, property
owners)?
• economic and other benefits of historic districts.
Mr. Rieske noted that in Draft #6, it essentially says that a study committee cannot
hold a meeting to tell people about historic districts to see if they are interested,
before they indicate an interest. As a result, people may never indicate an interest.
Mary Toshach asked about the purpose of the study committee. S. Cantlon stated
the Ordinance requires that a study committee be appointed (by the Mayor,
confirmed by Council) to conduct research and an inventory of historic resources
within a boundary area. The committee makes recommendations in a preliminary
and final report as to the establishment of a historic district or districts. The
committee can hold as many educational and informational sessions as it wants, and
that is desirable. If the committee recommends establishment of a historic district
with specific boundaries identified, then Council may hold a public hearing for the
establishment of a district, and ultimately create a district by ordinance.
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
S. Cantlon encouraged commissioners to identify properties for nominations of next
year's preservation awards and forward to the staff and Education Committee before
March 1, 2002. Preservation awards are given during Preservation Week in mid -
May. W. Miller recommended the awards be expanded to include architects and or
contractors that have done work on the house. M. Mondro emphasized the positive
domino effect the preservation recognition inspires for additional rehabilitation work
in an area.
10. ADJOURNMENT
Whitney Miller moved to adjourn meeting, seconded by Curtis Sonneberg. Motion to
adjourn carried unanimously (6-0).
Meeting adjourned at 7:36pm.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
Thursday, August 1, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
I. CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair, Kevin Webb called the meeting to order at 5:30 pm.
A. Roll Call
Present: Kent Maher, Whitney Miller, Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg, Mary
Toshach, and Kevin Webb
B. Excused Absences: None (three vacancies).
C. Introductions: Kristen Little and Kenneth Ladd, 440 Montclair, Howell
Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
M. Toshach moved, W. Miller seconded a motion to approve the agenda. On a
voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (6-0).
2. COMMUNICATIONS
A. S. Cantlon distributed the current MotorCities-Automobile National Heritage Area
brochure.
B. ER-97-683, Draft Equalization Basing Study and Lansing Avenue Pumping Station
Feasibility Study, Lansing Avenue Pump Station (LAPS), Lansing, Ingham County
(EPA).
A letter from Brian Conway, State Historic Preservation Officer, to Jimmy Spangler,
Public Service Department, Engineering Division, dated July 3, 2002, was mailed to
commissioners. The SHPO staff reviewed the draft study and terms of the
memorandum of agreement (MOA) for the project and recommended no action be
taken regarding the LAPS until "alternatives have been more carefully considered
and the city has committed to a plan".
3. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None
4. PUBLIC COMMENT - None
6. PRESENTATIONS - None
7. BUSINESS SECTION
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES. Auaust 1. 2002 Pape 2
A. Approval of Minutes: November 15, 2001
December 6, 2001
May, 2, 2002
Miller moved, Mondro seconded a motion to approve unilaterally the minutes of
November 15, 2001, December 6, 2001, and May 2, 2002 recognizing the majority
of the commissioners were not present at the meetings. On a voice vote, the
minutes were approved unanimously (6-0).
July 11, 2002
Sonnenberg moved, Maher seconded a motion to approve the minutes of May 2,
2002. On a voice vote, the minutes were approved unanimously (6-0).
B. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee
a. HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale Street, Rehabilitation
Sonnenberg moved, Maher seconded a motion to discuss the case.
A discussion ensued regarding the proposal submitted by the applicant:
• the proposal did not identify the number of percentage of existing
material (i.e., % of clapboard, how many windows, doors, and other
architectural features will be replaced);
• the proposal did not indicate that the fenestration, scale, and or the
proportions will be maintained;
• the proposal did not include any dimensional information or descriptions
(e.g. three (3) double hung, six -over -six wooden 28 %2 " x 42" windows);
• material or product samples were not included in the proposal;
• proposed used of vinyl verses wooded windows;
• roof repair and replacement and the need to install roof vents (i.e., ridge
crest vent) and louvered vents in gable -ends which were not original to
the house; and
• specifics for porch repair and replacement, including stairs.
Secretary of Interior Standard #6 was referenced by staff for clarification of
proposed window replacement materials (e.g. vinyl vs wood).
Standard #6 -
Distinctive historic features shall be repaired rather than replaced.
Where the severity of deterioration requires replacement of a
distinctive features, the new feature shall match the old in design,
color, texture, and other visual qualities and, where possible,
materials. Replacement of missing features shall be substantiated by
documentary, physical, or pictorial evidence.
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Sonnenberg moved, Mondro seconded a motion to table the application for a
Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) until specs and materials samples
could be provided by the applicant. On a voice vote, the motion carried
unanimously (6-0).
The HDC tentatively scheduled a meeting for Thursday, August 8, 2002, with
an alternate date of Thursday, August 15, 2002 to give the applicant time to
prepare the specs and samples.
2. Desian Review Committee - None
3. Education Committee - None
C. HDC Administration
1. Commission Chair and Vice Chair Nominations
P. Mondro nominated C. Sonnenberg for the Chair position. C. Sonnenberg
nominated W. Miller for the position of Vice Chair. Both individuals
expressed their willingness to serve.
Mondro moved, Sonnenberg seconded the motion to postpone closing the
nominations until the August 8, 2002 meeting. On a voice vote, the motion
carried unanimously (6-0).
2. Ethics Video - Training
The HDC members signed in on the appropriate sheet and watched the 13
minute Ethics Training video. All members also signed acknowledgment of
receipt of the Ethics Manual. All signed sheets will be forwarded to the
Personnel Department with copies retained in the Planning Office.
D. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. HDC Work Plan
b. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
c. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
d. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
2. Design Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MOA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
Commissioner Miller announced the annual National Trust Conference will be held
this year in Cleveland, Ohio mid -October. Copies of the agenda will be forwarded to
commissioners. S. Cantlon will inquire about any city funding support for
commissioners who wish to attend.
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9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
S. Cantlon reminded commissioners to record or call -in (483-4084) property
recommendations for Preservation Week Awards 2003.
B. Rieske announced the availability of Lugnut tickets (i.e., provided by the Planning
Office for volunteers sitting on City boards or commissions) to attend the August 81h
game.
10. ADJOURNMENT
P. Mondro moved, Sonnenberg seconded to adjourn the meeting. The meeting
adjourned at 7:25 pm.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
Thursday, August 8, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair, Kevin Webb called the meeting to order at 5:31 p.m.
A. Roll Call
Present: Kent Maher, Whitney Miller, Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg (arrived at
5:34 p.m.), Mary Toshach, and Kevin Webb
B. Excused Absences: None (three vacancies).
C. Introductions: Kristen Little and Kenneth Ladd, 440 Montclair, Howell
Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner (arrived at 6:16 p.m.)
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
P. Mondro moved, W. Miller seconded a motion to approve the agenda. On a voice
vote, the motion carried unanimously (5-0).
3. COMMUNICATIONS - None
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None
5. PUBLIC COMMENT - None
6. PRESENTATIONS - None
7. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of Minutes: August 1, 2002
Miller moved, Kent seconded a motion to approve the minutes of August 1, 2002.
On a voice vote, the minutes were approved unanimously (5-0).
B. Old Business
a. HDC-3-2002, 221 E. Hillsdale Street, Rehabilitation
The applicant, Kristen Little, representing Thomas Little, owner of the property at
221 E. Hillsdale Street provided drawings and dimensions for the proposed work.
Ms. Little indicated that due to the extent of the fire damage to the windows (i.e.,
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some severely fire damaged on the interior also) all windows in the structure would
need to be replaced. The lower floor windows were burned and all but the bathroom
windows on the upper level are missing the lower sash. She noted that wooden
windows would cost $600 each verses replacement vinyl which would be
considerably less expensive. Overall, the vinyl windows will be % " narrower than
wooden windows. Ms. Little stated that replica wooden windows will be used for
replacement of the front facing windows, if they cannot match them with vinyl. She
added that companies she has contacted are able to custom build the windows;
however the frame dimensions may vary by %2 inch (company not selected at this
time). The kitchen windows are in the best condition and are part of a modern
addition (i.e., not significant). The basement door will be replaced with one that was
stored in the basement and matches the existing. The kitchen door will be retained.
She also stated that during her meeting with the Building Safety Office, she was told
pressure treated lumber is required for the porch floor decking. S. Cantlon clarified
the pressure treated lumber requirement is for wood that touches the ground (i.e., up
to 18 inches). Ms. Little said the roofing contractor indicated no side (i.e., gable end)
venting was needed, just ridge and can vents on backside of house.
Mondro moved, Miller seconded a motion to discuss the proposed rehabilitation of
the structure.
A discussion followed which included condition of the existing clapboard siding,
chimney, brackets, windows (i.e., materials, style, number, sizes and color of
windows) to be replaced as a result of significant fire damage, roof replacement and
venting, porch reconstruction (i.e., venting, columns, flooring, guardrail, ceiling).
Findinas: (Based upon the Secretary of Interiors Standards)
The applicant is not applying for historic preservation funds through the
Development Office; therefore paint color review is not a requirement.
Standard # 5
1. The majority of the existing wood clapboard siding will be preserved. Only
significantly fire -damaged boards will be replaced with cedar wood clapboards
in the same dimensions as the original. New clapboard will be primed and
painted in an Arts and Crafts color scheme to be selected by the applicant.
2. The basement door will be replaced with one that was stored in the basement
and matches the existing. The kitchen door will be retained.
3. The majority of wooden, decorative roof brackets will be preserved.
Significantly fire damaged brackets will be replaced with wooden brackets
patterned from the originals in the same dimensions.
4. The brick chimney will be cleaned with the gentlest methods. No further
restoration work is needed.
Standards # 6 and 9
1. All windows, with the exception of the horizontal living room will be replaced due
to significant fire damage. The windows will be replaced with vinyl windows in
the same configuration (e.g., six -over -one double -hung windows) in the original
openings. The windows will be %2 inch narrower than originals. The window
alterations will be made without destroying the historic character. The new
replacement windows will be in a color that is consistent with the Arts & Crafts
style (e.g., dark brown window sashes and mullions). The mullions will be
located on the exposed exterior of the windows and will have a molded profile
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relief which mimic the originals. (Applicant to provide sample to S. Cantlon to
verify compliance).
2. The window sills will be repaired, primed and painted.
3. The horizontal living room window will be replaced with a wooden window which
replicates the original.
4. All wooden window and door trims, with the exception of the surrounds on the
front windows and door, will be retained, preserved, repaired, primed and
painted. The significantly fire damaged front door and window trims will be
replaced with wood trim in the same dimensions and relief (i.e., tapered on one
side from 5" to 7 1/4 ").
5. Window sills will be retained, repaired, primed and painted.
6. The front door will be replaced with a wooden door (i.e., Paulina Series, PA
4662-6, as provided by applicant). The door will be installed in the original
opening and finished to match the original.
7. The roof decking will be replaced where necessary, and the asphalt shingle roof
will be removed and replaced by new asphalt shingle roof material in a color to
compliment the Arts & Crafts house colors to be selected by the applicant.
8. A roof ridge vent will be installed along with can vents on the rear (i.e., north
side) of the house to help vent the roof.
9. Exposed roof rafters and fascia boards covering rafter ends will be
reconstructed to replicate existing, primed and painted.
10. The porch will be removed and reconstructed, retaining and repairing original
architectural features and materials wherever feasible. Materials and features
significantly fire damaged will be replaced with materials and dimensions which
replicate the originals (see attached drawings):
• porch support columns above the piers will have a 2" x 4" over 2" x 6" crown
molding;
• the columns will be framed in plywood (3/8" x 18 % " x existing height); and
have a 1 %' 900corner bead;
• 2" x 12" caps will be added to the guardrail of the porch;
• the porch guardrail will have 6" cedar siding which will be primed and painted
(will not touch the ground);
• the existing 3 1/4" tongue -in -grove porch flooring will be replaced with a
pressure treated lumber wood or wood pressure treated lumber substructure
with standard flooring above, to be primed and painted;
• a grooved panel siding will be installed, primed and painted in the porch
ceiling;
• two small rectangular vents will be replicated in the lower section of the front
porch guardrail; and
• porch steps will be removed and reconstructed as enclosed stairs, matching
existing rise and run - to be primed and painted.
11. Exposed pressure treated lumber will be primed and painted within six months.
The HDC emphasized that due to the significant amount of fire damage to the
building and particularly the windows, vinyl windows were approved for this project.
However, future proposals for replacement of original wooded windows for vinyl
windows will be reviewed on a case -by -case basis.
Toshach moved, Mondro seconded the motion to approve the issuance of a
Certificate of Appropriateness for the proposed rehabilitation of the fire -damaged
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structure at 221 E. Hillsdale in the Cherry Hill Historic District, and based upon the
findings, the proposed work is consistent with Secretary of the Interior's Standards #
5, 6 and 9. On a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (6-0).
C. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee - None
11. Desian Review Committee - None
12. Education Committee - None
M. HDC Administration
1. Commission Chair and Vice Chair Nominations
K. Maher nominated, P. Mondro seconded the nomination for K. Webb for the
Vice Chair position.
Toshach moved, Sonnenberg seconded the motion to close the nominations.
On a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (6-0).
2. National Trust for Historic Preservation Annual Conference - Cleveland
HDC member, Miller expressed an interest in attending if there is some financial
support from the Planning and Neighborhood Development Department.
Commissioners Maher, Sonnenberg, Toshach and Webb would not be able to
attend.
E. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. HDC Work Plan
b. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
c. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
d. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
Design Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MOA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS - None
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
Commissioner Mondro noted Dave Mullye was rehabilitating a house at the corner of
Vine and Rumsey Streets, possibly a nominee for the 2003 Preservation Awards.
Sonnenberg also recommended reviewing a house near the corner of Ionia and
Walnut Streets. Cantlon responded that the Ionia property received a 2002 award.
10. ADJOURNMENT
C. Sonnenberg moved, K. Maher seconded a motion to adjourn the meeting. The
meeting adjourned at 6:33 p.m.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
Thursday, September 5, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
I. CALL TO ORDER
Staff member, Susan Cantlon called the meeting to order in the absence of Chair, Kevin
Webb, at 5:42 p.m.
A. Roll Call
Present: Kent Maher, Whitney Miller, Philip Mondro, and Curtis Sonnenberg.
Only four members present, five are required to constitute a quorum.
B. Excused Absences: Mary Toshach
Unexcused: Kevin Webb
C. Introductions: Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Five members constitutes a quorum, therefore no action was taken.
3. COMMUNICATIONS - None
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None
5. PUBLIC COMMENT - None
6. PRESENTATIONS - None
7. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of Minutes August 8, 2002 - No quorum, no action.
B. Old Business
1. Commission Chair and Vice Chair Nominations - No quorum, no action.
C. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee - None
2. Design Review Committee - None
3. Education Committee - None
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D. New Business
1. Agency Referral, NCU-4-2002, 724 N. Walnut Street
Susan Cantlon presented the case. The applicant requests a Nonconforming
Class A status in order to exceed the 35% cap which currently limits the
proposed rehabilitation expenditures for the four -unit building. The Historic
District Commission (HDC) did not have a quorum to take action, therefore
the following does not constitute an official recommendation:
Findinqs:
The property is located in the potential Old 41h Ward/Ionia Street Historic
District and the structure is considered a contributing resource within the
historic district. Also, the proposed rehabilitation of the resource will be
funded in part by federal dollars which requires that the funding will create
"no adverse effect" on a resource and that rehabilitation work be consistent
with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation. The original
wood clapboard siding exists and has not been covered with other materials.
The original fenestration exists. The original front upper level windows have
been replaced by aluminum (self -storing style) windows which are not
consistent with the period of the house. The upper level porch section
originally did not appear to be enclosed by windows.
HDC Recommendations:
Front Porch
• conduct historic resource to locate early photographs (e.g. Stebbin's
collection, Lansing library) to identify porch appearance (i.e., upper and
lower levels);
• apply for an "administrative waiver" with the application for a building
permit, which would authorize the construction of a new balustrade that
would be consistent in height, appearance and spacing of balusters
with the historic period of the house;
• used turned spindles if economically feasible;
• the lower level porch should not be enclosed;
• remove existing porch apron and replace with more substantial apron
consistent with the period of the house;
• install handrail which compliments balustrade; and
• prime and paint the porch floor, balustrade, apron, stairs, handrail and
other exposed areas.
Siding
• retain, protect, and restore where necessary existing wood clapboard
siding;
• prepare, prime and paint.
Windows
• recommend replacing substitute aluminum windows with double -hung
wood windows particularly those visible from the street.
Foundation
• remove foundation plants and or tree roots which may have an adverse
impact on the structural integrity of the building, and to promote the
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Roof
longevity of the structure.
remove tree branches which may adversely effect the roof (applicant
may wish to contact an arborist for advice); and
if roof is to be replaced, replace with dark colored asphalt shingles.
Mondro moved, Miller seconded the motion to forward the findings and
recommendations to the Planning Board. The vote was 4-0.
2. Agency Referral, NCU-5-2002, 819 N. Walnut Street
Susan Cantlon presented the case. The applicant requests a Nonconforming
Class A status in order to exceed the 35% cap which currently limits the
proposed rehabilitation expenditures for the four -unit building. The Historic
District Commission (HDC) did not have a quorum to take action, therefore
the following does not constitute an official recommendation:
Findinas:
The property is located in the potential Old 4`h Ward/Ionia Street Historic
District and the structure is considered a contributing resource within the
historic district. Also, the proposed rehabilitation of the resource will be
funded in part by federal dollars which requires that the funding will create
"no adverse effect" on a resource and that rehabilitation work be consistent
with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation. The original
wood clapboard siding exists and has not been covered with other materials.
The original fenestration exists. The original front porch retains much of its
original appearance with the exception of the balustrade.
HDC Recommendations:
Front Porch
• conduct historic resource to locate early photographs (e.g. Stebbin's
collection, Lansing library) to identify porch appearance (i.e., upper and
lower levels);
• apply for an "administrative waiver" with the application for a building
permit, which would authorize the construction of a new balustrade that
would be consistent in height, appearance and spacing of balusters
with the historic period of the house, if the balustrade is to be replaced;
• used turned spindles if economically feasible;
• the lower level porch should not be enclosed;
• if existing porch apron is to be replaced, design and materials should
be consistent with the period of the house;
• install handrail which compliments balustrade; and
• prime and paint the porch floor, balustrade, apron, stairs, handrail and
other exposed areas.
Siding
• retain, protect, and restore where necessary existing wood clapboard
siding;
• prepare, prime and paint.
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Windows
• recommend any replacement windows be double -hung wood windows
particularly those visible from the street.
Foundation
• remove foundation plants and or tree roots and limbs/branches (e.g.
large tree in rear of house) which may have an adverse impact on the
structural integrity of the building, and to promote the longevity of the
structure.
Roof
remove tree branches which may adversely effect the roof (applicant
may wish to contact an arborist for advice);
if roof is to be replaced, replace with dark colored asphalt shingles.; and
if economically feasible, add a brick veneer to chimney.
Miller requested the dark recessed area under the rear stairs be evaluated
for debris and moisture problems and included in the recommendation if
problems exist.
Motion
Miller moved, Maher seconded the motion to forward the findings and
recommendations to the Planning Board. The vote was 4-0.
Mondro requested that videos or a digital camera, with images of the
properties under review, be provided at meetings to aid commissioners in
their analysis. Miller recommended the Education Committee develop
educational aids for rehabilitating porches to assist property owners.
3. PALWatch - Advocacy for Restoration of Federal Historic Preservation
Funding
Mondro moved, Sonnenberg seconded, a motion to recommend the City of
Lansing support the restoration of federal funds for Historic Preservation.
The vote was 4-0.
E. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. HDC Work Plan
b. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
c. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
d. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
Design Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MOA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
Mondro noted a structure at the NW corner of N. Clemens and Vine Street has been
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rehabilitated recently (e.g. converting stucco to vinyl siding), and recommends it for
nomination for HP 2003 awards. He also noted there was a porch restoration on S.
Pennsylvania (address to be identified) also. Sonnenberg recommended properties
on the south side of W. Ottawa in the 1100 Block and Miller recommended reviewing
a property on the north side of the 1500 block of W. Hillsdale Street.
10. ADJOURNMENT
Mondro moved, Miller seconded the motion to adjourn the meeting. The motion carried 4-
0.
The meeting adjourned at 7:10 p.m.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
Thursday, November 7, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
I. CALL TO ORDER
Vice -chair, Kevin Webb called the meeting to order at 5:30 p.m.
A. Roll Call
Present: Whitney Miller, Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg, Mary Toshach, Kevin
Webb.
B. Excused Absences: Kent Maher,
C. Introductions: Staff, Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner.
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
M. Toshach moved, W. Miller seconded a motion to approve the agenda. On a voice
vote, the motion carried unanimously (5-0).
3. COMMUNICATIONS - None
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None
5. PUBLIC COMMENT - None
6. PRESENTATIONS - None
7. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of Minutes
Auqust 8, 2002
M. Toshach moved, C. Sonnenberg seconded a motion to approve the minutes of
August 8, 2002, with the correction to Page 3, Item 10, bullet 5. On a voice vote, the
motion carried unanimously (5-0).
September 5, 2002
W. Miller moved, P. Mondro seconded a motion to approve the minutes of
September 5, 2002. On a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (5-0).
B. Old Business
1. Commission Chair and Vice Chair Elections
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C. Sonnenberg was the only candidate nominated at the August HDC meeting for
the chair position. On a voice vote, he was elected to serve as chair, effective the
next meeting.
W. Miller and K. Webb were nominated for the Vice -chair position. On a voice vote,
Ms. Miller was elected to serve as chair, effective the next meeting.
C. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee - None
2. Desian Review Committee - None
3. Education Committee - None
D. New Business
HDC Meeting Calendar 2003
The HDC reviewed the meeting calendar for 2003 and will take action at the
next meeting.
2. HDC Proposed 2003-2007 Work Program
The HDC reviewed a preliminary draft of the 2003-2007 HDC Work Program.
A discussion ensued regarding funding support, project priorities,
implementation dates, and committee reviews. Members will send their
questions to S. Cantlon for review and comment by staff.
E. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 6, Dated 11/29/01)
b. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
c. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
Desian Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MOA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
W. Miller requested an update on the agency referrals for NCU-4-02 and NCU-5-02
to rehabilitate houses located at 724 and 819 N. Walnut Street, in the potential Old
41h Ward/Ionia Street. S. Cantlon and B. Rieske reported the Planning Board
approved the Class A Nonconformity for the properties with the applicable conditions
recommended by the HDC.
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
W. Miller nominated the structure at 1600 W. Hillsdale, recently rehabilitated, for a
historic preservation award for 2003.
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10. ADJOURNMENT
P. Mondro moved, C. Sonnenberg seconded a motion to adjourn the meeting. On a
voice vote, the motion carried unanimously (5-0).
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SPECIAL MEETING
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
Monday, December 9, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning and Neighborhood Development,
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Conference Room C-3
Lansing, Michigan
CALL TO ORDER
Curtis Sonnenberg called the meeting to order at 5:35 p.m. This special meeting
coincides with the meeting held on Thursday, December 5, 2002.
A. Members Present: Whitney Miller, Philip Mondro, Curtis Sonnenberg, Mary
Toshach, and Kevin Webb
B. Excused Absences: Kent Maher.
C. Staff Present: Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner
D. Others Present: Sarah Davis, City Pulse.
Stephanie Whitbeck, 620 W. Ionia Street
Jack Roberts, Assistant City Attorney
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
It was moved and seconded to approve the agenda as printed. On a voice vote the
motion carried unanimously (5-0).
3. COMMUNICATIONS
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None
5. PRESENTATIONS
6. PUBLIC COMMENT
C. Sonnenberg requested that individuals who spoke at the HDC meeting of December 5,
2002, confine their comments on the proposed amendments to the Historic Districts
Ordinance to additions only. Public comment was limited to three minutes.
Stephanie Whitbeck:
Ms. Whitbeck found the proposed changes to be problematic for historic preservation and
inconsistent with the enabling statute. In her opinion, the only thing worthy of amendment
was in the definition section. Under the existing ordinance, the word "bureau" refers to the
Bureau of History, Michigan Historical Center. This draft changed it to "department",
although the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO), in their comments, indicated it
should be "center". She further noted the current draft does not reflect recommendations
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for corrections that the SHPO, through numerous letters to the City. She did not
understand, point by point, what were the expected benefits.
7. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Old Business
1. HDC Meeting Calendar 2003
No action was taken.
2. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 9, Dated 12/05/02)
B. Rieske introduced Jack Roberts from the City Attorney's office. It was noted that
Mr. Roberts worked with City Council on the proposed changes to the ordinance
during the two year process under which the revisions were being considered. The
members of the HDC expressed their concerns that only one member of the current
commission was present during the review of any previous drafts.
Most of the proposed changes and comments from the State of Michigan to the
ordinance draft occurred in drafts #4 and #6 of July, 2001. Anything the State of
Michigan indicated would affect the ability of the Lansing Historic District to get
funding was removed immediately. As part of the legislative process, Council tried
to address some concerns that they feel are important. Mr. Roberts was not
speaking for Council, but from the law department's point of view as it relates to how
the process has gone on and the steps that it's taken. The current draft is on for
public hearing next Monday [December 16, 2002], and possible passage at that
time.
Rieske distributed a copy of a table of the proposed changes with HDC, SHPO and
staff explanations, analysis and recommendations. Mr. Roberts proceeded to review
the proposed changes, item by item, page by page. This is a continuous ordinance
that has gone through a number of revisions based upon comments that have been
made in the past. He focused his comments on the specific changes between draft
#8 and #9, the City Council's desires and legislative prerogatives. He emphasized
Council considered any comments by the HDC, SHPO or staff regarding sections
that might jeopardize the city's certification as a Certified Local Government and
historic preservation funding. These sections were removed in the July, 2001 draft.
Section 1220.08 changes reflect Council's desire to empower the general public
early. A Commissioner member inquired of Jack Roberts "what if the seller doesn't
notify the buyer [that the property is in a study area proposed for a historic district?]"
Roberts responded, "This doesn't create a cause of action". In reference to the
requirement that 33% of the study committee membership be from the area under
study, Mr. Roberts said Council feels they aren't diminishing the historic district study
committee requirements. Council wanted to limit the scope of the project and
therefore set the 180 day period for the submission of the preliminary report.
Mr. Rieske requested language be included that says "unless this requirement [33%]
is waived by City Council". Mr. Roberts said the HDC may make that request to
Council if they so desired. He noted that Council made a conscious decision not to
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insert this phrase when requested by the commission in previous reviews. Miller
recognized the Council's motivation but queried "if you can't meet the [33%]
requirement based on the other requirements [with demonstrated knowledge and
interest...], what is the ultimate result or recourse?" Toshach felt the 33% was not
unrealistic if the HDC wants an area to become a historic district, there needs to be
a buy -in by the property owners and residents - the way to get the buy -in is to get
them involved in the study committee through representation. She emphasized the
need to educate the property owners as to the responsibilities and benefits of being
in a historic district. Mr. Roberts said Council looked at nine properties in the study
area for the threshold number of properties, before the 33% requirement would kick
in.
The next major concern, covered by Mr. Roberts, was on page 10, after 4 (f) relative
to the length of time the study committee has to do its work [180 days]. This
proposed change was a result of the time undertaken by the Capitol Historic District
Study Committee, which the Council ultimately placed a sunset on for the completion
of the preliminary report. Mr. Roberts interpreted the Council's concern that a study
area not be created that would require longer than six (6) months to complete. Or
within a manageable time. Ms. Miller observed that if the community desires it, the
size of the study area should be irrelevant. Mr. Roberts asked if she was familiar
with the Capitol Historic Study. She indicated she was, but didn't feel setting this
time limit [180 days] was the way to accomplish the Council's objective. Ms. Cantlon
noted there are federal guidelines for establishing the boundaries of study areas -
they are not arbitrary. Mr. Roberts added the Council provided for consideration of
an extension of the time limit of the study committee submits a written request
before the 180 days is up, the Council can consider extending the time. Ms.
Toshach recommended language that would include a minimum of 90 days, not to
exceed X days without a written extension, based upon her experience with study
areas. Even with the full time staff and volunteers, she felt they would not have
been able to accomplish much in 180 days for residential study areas because
research has to occur at title companies, hall of records. Mr. Webb asked how
many of the properties within the study she did were rentals or owner occupied?
Ms. Miller, an archivist, conducts research and aids others with their research. She
worries about a rush job resulting in an inferior project. Ms. Cantlon clarified that the
180 days commences when the resolution establishes the study committee and the
boundaries. Ms. Toshach supports setting realistic time limits. Mr. Sonnenberg
requested more flexibility in the time limits. Mr. Roberts thinks the Council is very
interested in having a "time certain". He noted he has two other changes to bring to
their attention, and will submit the HDC's recommendation for a time limit. Nine
months (270 days) from the date of the resolution was recommended.
Next item: Council wanted the option to waive the 60 day waiting day provision,
taken from the state law, which deals with a petition supporting the establishment of
a historic district by a "majority of property owners". A discussion ensued as to what
action qualifies as a "petition", particularly if the petitioner represents a single
resource or if all property owners in a small area support the district. According to
Mr. Roberts, a petition usually is usually something that is sworn to and with a
notary. Mr. Roberts asked Ms. Whitbeck for her interpretation of this section since
she worked on the ordinance revisions in 1994. She said there is simple way to
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resolve the problem of a single property owner or an area with 100% support - there
is no requirement in the law to do a petition to support the district; therefore if there
is no petition, there is no waiting period required.
Ms. Miller asked if the ordinance, as it is being revised, is in violation of what the
state statute lays out the HDC is supposed to do. Mr. Roberts response to her was,
"I don't know", and the reason he doesn't know is "because it is inconsistent with the
strict language, but the language of the statute deals with something more than
51 %, but doesn't deal with the issue of a sole, 100% waiver". Ms. Miller asked if it
wouldn't be more prudent to eliminate any perception of being in violation with the
state statute. Mr. Sonnenberg clarified that the only phrase, in this section that
conflicts with the enabling act is the proposed "waiver". Ms. Miller emphasized that
she is more concerned about the perception of the legality of the ordinance and it
being upheld, and people not challenging it in court. She felt deviation from the
statute should be minimized. Mr. Roberts said "it might be inconsistent with the
statute, but if there is a logic to the statute, or the purpose is to protect a minority
and there is no minority, then it does not violate the statute". He noted the statute is
poorly written, making it difficult to grasp the intent. Mr. Rieske asked who would
defend them [HDC] in court [if the ordinance as challenged]. Mr. Roberts asked who
would be the aggrieved party? References were made to Amy Arnold's [SHPO]
review and comments of previous and current drafts.
Ms. Miller expressed her concern that as a [new] board member she did not have
time to significantly study the ordinance and proposed changes to it. Mr.
Sonnenberg concurred, and noted that the HDC had received a copy of draft #8 for
review, and then received draft #9 at the commission meeting, requiring the HDC to
play catch-up.
S. Cantlon alerted the HDC that they have not addressed, line 8, on page 20, "the
right to appeal to City Council..". She reminded commissioners the right to appeal,
under the statute, is to the State Historic Preservation Review Board and Circuit
Court, not to City Council.
Motion:
Toshach moved, seconded by Miller motions to request up to 270 days for a
preliminary study report; to delete the reference of an appeal to City Council for an
aggrievance; and to delete the issue of a waiver of the 60 day period involving
petitions by a majority of the property owners for establishment of a district. The
motions were approved unanimously (5-0).
S. Cantlon asked Mr. Roberts if it was his intent to forward the State's [SHPO]
comments regarding the review process for financial hardship in terms of having an
engineer, and/or a historic preservation architect evaluate the rehabilitation costs.
Mr. Roberts said he would bring it to their [Council] attention.
Toshach moved, Miller seconded a request that Council reviews the financial
hardship section in terms of who will analyze these properties, with a recommenda-
tion to include an architect or structural engineer who has experience in historic
rehabilitation. The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
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B. Committee Reports
1. Executive Committee - None
2. Design Review Committee - None
3. Education Committee - None
C. New Business - None
D. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
b. Moore's Park Place Architectural Survey (continuation), Dave Crane, volunteer.
c. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
2. Design Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MCA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
9. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESERVATION RECOGNITIONS
10. ADJOURNMENT
Toshach moved, Webb seconded the motion to adjourn the meeting. The motion carried
unanimously (5-0).
The meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MINUTES
c^, Thursday, December 5, 2002, 5:30 p.m.
Planning & Neighborhood Development Conference Room
316 N. Capitol Avenue, Suite C-3
Lansing, Michigan
I. CALL TO ORDER
Curtis Sonnenberg called the meeting to order at 5:45 p.m.
A. Members Present: Whitney Miller, Curtis Sonnenberg, MaryToshach, & Kevin
Webb.
B. Excused Absences: Kent Maher and Phil Mondro.
C. Staff Present: Susan Cantlon, Senior Preservation Planner.
Bill Rieske, Principal Planner.
D. Others Present: Stephanie Whitbeck, 620 W. Ionia Street.
Pete Bocheff, 227 Custer Street.
Sarah Davis, City Pulse.
Ann Green, 1319 W. Hillsdale Street.
Mattie Blaire, 439 Everett Drive.
Rick Kibby, 1609 E. Kalamazoo Street.
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
No quorum was present [five (5) members constitutes a quorum], therefore public
comments were received, but no action was taken.
3. COMMUNICATIONS - S. Cantlon distributed the following items to the commission:
1. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 9, Dated 12/05/02).
2. Communications between C. Sonnenberg, W. Miller & Planning Office
staff regarding the draft Work Program.
3. Copy of Lansing State Journal newspaper article dated 12/02/02,
regarding rehabilitation of buildings and incentive programs.
4. HEARINGS (ADVERTISED) - None.
5. PRESENTATIONS - None.
A. Eastside Neighborhood, Rick Kibby. Postponed to future date to be specified.
B. MotorCities-ANHA Thematic Survey Project, Maura Johnson of the Mannik & Smith
Group. Postponed until January 9, 2003 meeting.
6. PUBLIC COMMENT
Stephanie Whitbeck commented at length regarding the proposal to modify the Historic
Districts Ordinance (Draft #9), and submitted these comments in writing to commission
members and staff by an e-mail dated 12/8/02. (See attached.)
Pete Bosheff commented about the importance of historic preservation and inquired about
the role of the Historic District Commission.
Rick Kibby apologized for arriving too late to make a presentation to the commission.
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Commission members commented that they had insufficient time to digest the proposed
ordinance amendments, due to their newness to the commission, especially relative to the
previous HDC action regarding the amendments, and due to the recent release of the two
versions of Draft #9.
Members of both the public and the commission noted the importance of the City
ordinance compliance with the Historic Districts Act (P.A. 169 of 1970, as amended).
7. BUSINESS SECTION
A. Approval of Minutes - November 7, 2002 - No action taken.
B. Old Business - No action taken.
1. Proposal to Modify Historic District Ordinance Draft # 8, Dated 11/29101).
2. HDC Proposed 2003-2007 Work Program.
3. HDC Meeting Calendar 2003 - May 1, reschedule to May 8`h meeting?
C. Committee Reports - None.
D. New Business - No action taken.
1. MotorCities-ANHA Thematic Survey of Early Automotive History in Lansing.
E. Pending Items: Future Action Required
1. HDC Administration
a. Requests for Establishment of River Point Neighborhood Historic District
b. Moore's Park Place Architectural Survey (continuation), Dave Crane, volunteer.
c. Staff Approval of Specific Exterior Work in Historic Districts.
2. Desian Review Committee
a. Lansing Avenue Pumping Station - MCA and Proposal for Demolition.
8. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
Commission members, by consensus of those present, scheduled a special meeting
for Monday, December 9, 2002, from 5:30 to 7:00 p.m., for the primary purpose of
considering HDC comments on the proposed ordinance revisions, and forwarding
them to the City Council Committee on Development & Planning for its meeting on
Tuesday morning (12/10/02).
9. HDC MEMBER SUGGESTIONS FOR PRESERVATION AWARDS - None.
10. ADJOURNMENT -The meeting was adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Bill Rieske, Recording Secretary
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