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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990 Downtown Mall & Environs Meeting Minutes DOWNTOWN PALL & ENVIRONS BOA RQ MEETI:NG3 i r -LcRI\ TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13 , 1990 8:30 a.m. BY: Meeting called to order by Michael Smith at NAU.0 AM 10 13 Board Members Present: Michael Smith, Kathryn Haar, John Decker, Bruno Tews , Turney Gratz (excused (G,rady Porter, Phyllis Adams) Others Present: Mark Michaels , Scott Achenbach, Nancy Achenbach, Dimitri Stathopoulos , Donald Treciz, Louie Kafantaris, Sandy Kovach, Gretel Faust, Tammy Melser,. Tom Tsaparas, Laura Nesbitt, Shirley Lowery, Tenley Thompson, Bob Ottaway, Robert Husband, Mr. Coscarelli & partner, Douglas Wiley, Diane Townsend, Janet Miller Approval of Minutes: Motion by Kathryn Haar, seconded by John Decker to approve the minutes from the December 12th meeting due to the lack of a quorum for the January meeting these had not been approved. MOTION CARRIED. Approval of Agenda: Motion by Kathryn Haar, seconded by John Decker to approve the agenda. MOTION CARRII Request for Use of the Downtown Mall & Environs: a) Request from the Michigan Capitol Girl Scout Council to sell Girl Scout cookies, Thursday, March 15, 1990 from 11:30 to 1 :30 in front of the Manufacturers Bank/IBM building. Moved by Bruno Tews , seconded by Kathryn Haar to approve. MOTION CARRIED. b) Requested by Bob Ottaway of WMMQ radio to use the Washington Square Mall for Friday Brown Bag Lunch Series , every Friday from May 26th through August 31st 1990 from 11 :30 to 1 :30. They also requested two (2) capped meters on Michigan Avenue where WMMQ staff can park their vehicles , and one permit for an auto on the Mall . Moved by Bruno Tews , seconded by John Decker to approve after receipt of necessary documentation. MOTION CARRIED. Receipt of Communications/Petiti'ons- for Information/Re.f.erral - NONE Tabled Items: a) Recommendations for 1990 vendor locations - Michael Smith reiterated to all that the Board makes recommendations and these go to the Mayor and City Council for final action. These recommendations are only the first step in the procedure to finalize vendor locations. Consumers like the outside mall vendors and there are individuals interested in vending. The Board would like. to accommodate the downtown shoppers with additional outside vending locations. Comments by - Mark Michaels - Contemporary Shoe Repair at 337 S. Washington. Mr. Husband interested- in vending - referred to March meeting when the Board may have more information on vendor spots . Allocation will be by seniority. The Board will get in touch with Mr. Husband . Tammy Melser - Laura from Kellys - vendors do not affect her as much as WMMQ Lunch Series on Fridays . DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETING - FEBRUARY 13, 1990 - PAGE 2 TABLED ITEMS CONT' D. a) Downtown merchants pay taxes and rents and if vendors are allowed to move south she feels the impact could affect their business . Ms . Nesbitt says her rent is more than anyone on the mall . Dimitri says he has the oldest establishment (16 yrs . ) and feels it is a slap in the face to put vendors at his doors . He feels the vendors take the cream away from the downtown restaurants. Michael Smith mentioned the Mall Board has more than one constituant to take into account. The consumers who work downtown like the outside vendors or they wouldn't patronize them. Kathryn Haar told the group the Board was there to. hear everyone of them and their views. The Board is not judging they are listening. Dimitri feels downtown restaurants should have the first choice for vending spots . Comments by Arby owner - He feels he does a great business during the lunch hour. The rest of the day is dead. Says they all should open at 11 :00 a .m. and close at 2:00 or 3:00 p.m. He tried to stay open on Saturdays for a year but finally gave up on that He feels that the vendors take all of the cream from the downtown restaurants . The vendors are probably making at least 70% profit. His business costs $26 sq. ft. rent, plus trash pickup, utilities etc. Kwast Bakery - Gretel Faust is mainly concerned with parking situation. Feels there are to many restaurants downtown. Nancy Achenbach - Ma-Ahs - Glad to see vendors moving down to the 300 block. Saturday is a good day for her business. The last three Saturdays have been her best days, but all of the restaurants are closed and you can't get anything to eat on a Saturday. She would not care if someone was on the street vending items like she carries, she feels the foot traffic is good. Scott Achenbach - feels the same as his mother. Jims - totally against more vendors downtown. Louie Kafantaris - Parthenon Restaurant & Bakery - 80% of their business is done at the noon hour. He doesn' t mind having them away from the downtown area but doesn't want them in the 300 South block. Some of the restaurants cater to fast in - out service. Floyd Melser - Peanut Shop - the Mall is the North end, the South is now open and not considered a mall . Mr. Melser has been in the downtown store for 48 years . The store has been there 53 years. Opening the Mall has hurt business . He has had many complaints saying they are not coming downtown they are going to the Malls in outlying areas. During nice weather the people pick up food and sit out under the trees and eat their sandwichs and therefore he doesn't feel it improves foot traffic. In the bad weather they stay in their offices. New restaurants that haven' t even opened are stressing concern if they can make it downtown. Mr. Coscarelli - Afternoon Delight - Working at another business as the new business is not out of the red yet. He's hoping to make a profit this summer and would prefer not to have vendors in their block. Summer business is their best. He would be interested in outside business extension but only to keep someone else from getting it. Michael stressed that anyone with a store can have a temporary extensio permit to operate in front of their business with a minimal amount of paper work. Kellys sidewalk has shrunk considerably due to a monument placed directly in front therefore outside space would be termed a hazard to pedestrians if anything was placed on their sidewalk. Kellys had at one time applied for a sidewalk cafe and it was denied by the City (this was before the monument was placed there) . Turney Gratz asked the merchants what they want to see happen. Do they want things to stay the way they are, do they want the vendors off of the Mall ? One response was to place them in a radius 5 miles from downtown, another suggestion was to leave vendors where they have been the last couple of years but look at the fee structure. Turney again asked for other alternatives . Another suggestion by a merchant was to not introduce food vendors to the 300 South block - flowers, crafts , etc. would be more acceptable. DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIku,iS BOARD MEETING - FEBRUARY 13, 1990 - PAGE 3 TABLED ITEMS CONT'D. a) Michael mentioned again that the downtown workers and shoppers want these food vendors and that therefore the Board and City Council have to consider the consumers views also. Kellys - with broadening corridor like the Historical Museum and Impression Five and etc. why not place vendors in these outer perimeters? Mr. Husband mentioned that when all of the new state offices open there is going to be a sizeable increase of patrons to service in the downtown area. Mr'. Husband feels that vendors should be given space even if it is 400 or 500 ft. away from restaurants, he does not want to compete with the other restaurants he wants to have a vending service. Dimitri feels merchants should have first option if they want to vend outside and that street vendors should be at least a block away from a restaurant. , He feels that 100 feet is not far enough away. End of comment time. Mr. Wiley introduced Diane Townsend , his administrative aide, who joined him in October. Kathryn Haar feels there is a hostility felt here and that is not what the Board is here for, the Board is trying to give a fair equation of both sides . The Board does not like to be put on the defensive. The Board will give their recommendations to the Mayor and Council and it will be up to them to approve or disapprove. Turney feels the Board does not have to be on the defensive but open to solutions . Mr. Wiley mentioned building into the Rules and Regulations to have transient businesses move within Special-Events perimeter with a written authorization from the sponsoring party. The organization would have to send the Board a written request to have a vendor or vendors operate within their event. This has come about after last years Gus Macker event when vendors had been asked to come and vend through the Gus Macker sponsors. - The Board favored this change to the Rules and Regulations for transient business. The Board went into recess due to Bruno Tews requirement to leave which affected the quorum. The Board will reconvene for a continuation of this meeting on Friday, February 16, 1990 at 8:30 a .m, on 4th floor, City Hall in the conference room due to many issues to be dealt with yet. Board members that are not present today will be notified. A phone vote was taken regarding the purchase of a 10' bicycle rack to be placed at the Southside entrance of the South Capital Ramp - in sight of the attendant. Motion was made and approved by this phone vote to attain funds from Parks and Recreation to purchase this rack. MOTION CARRIED. DOWNTOWN MALL & EN,VI.�R.ONS-=\Q0AR0' MEETING RECONVENED - FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1990 ,I.cRK Meeting called to order by Micha Smith at 8:35 a .m. BY: ( Board Members Pres Jo q2 kl-�, Michael Smith, Turney Gratz, Bruno Tews , Kathryn 190 9Ha, r (excused absences Grady Porter, Phyllis Adams) Others Present: Douglas C. Wiley, Diane Townsend , Janet Miller TABLED ITEMS: a) After much discussion regarding adding locations - making changes in allocation procedures the following recommendations were voted on. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Kathryn Haar that the Board recommends to the City Council that they approve three (3) new sites as identified in Douglas Wiley's memorandum dated February 8, 1990 to the downtown merchants as H2, 4 and 5 which would be numbers #10, 12 and 13 when added to the existing sites. This recommendation would be made to the Mayor and City Council as soon as the distance between the sites and existing restaurants was confirmed to meet present requirements , and further that the Board refrain from allocating these sites for at least one year to give existing restauranteurs an opportunity to fill the need for outdoor food vending through the use of business extensions. The Board will send a letter to downtown merchants explaining this action and urging them to contribute to the vitality of the downtown mall by,takingg advantage of the opportunity to open an outside business extension. Site #1 was eliminated due to proposed new Subway Restaurant. MOTION CARRIED. A formal agreement was reached by the Board on the content of a letter to be sent to the downtown merchants. .(see attached) Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Kathryn Haar that the City Council approve site #13 identified in Douglas Wiley's memo dated February 8, 1990, which would be number #11 when added to the existing sites. The Board suggests this be approved immediately. MOTION CARRIED. b) Turney Gratz presented plans for .changes submitted by the Transportation Department to eliminate some of the small areas of the landscape sections known as berms to increase parking spots in the three (.3) blocks of Washington Mall . The Planning Division and Parks Department do not support this plan. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by John Decker that. tfie•Board opposes elimination (removal ) of these berms. They would agree to slight modifications, repair of the lighting and timing of the watering system and would encourage increased maintenance of the landscape and utilities. MOTION CARRIED. Old Business : Mr. Wiley said there had been a meeting with Parks and Transportation and the Parks Department was given permission to install a bicycle rack in the South Capital Ramp outside but within sight of the attendant. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Kathryn'Haar that the bicycle rack placement be approved. MOTION CARRIED. Moved by Kathryn Haar, seconded by Michael Smith that the meeting be adjourned. MOTION CARRIED. lo DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 13, 1990 8:30 a`.m:� t, 90 Nou 9 Aft 10 13 Meeting called to order at 9:00 a.m. by Michael Smith. Board Members Present: Bruno Tews , Kathryn Haar, Michael Smith, Grady Porter, Turney Graez Others Present: Pat Reid , Pam Fowler, Douglas Wiley, Janet Miller Approval of Minutes: Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Kathryn Haar to amend the minutes from February 13/16, 1990 under tabled items, item a. Recommendations for 1990 vendor locations, Motion to read : that the Board recommends to the Mayor and City Council that they approve three (3) new sites as identified in Douglas Wiley's memorandum to the Downtown Merchants dated February 8, 1990 as #2, 4 and 5 be renumbered to #9, 11 and 12 and that site #3 be renumbered to #10. MOTION CARRIED. Approval of Agenda: Moved by Michael Smith to approve the agenda with the addition to allow long enough for Mr. Reid to make his comments to the Board for his first time. Seconded by Kathryn Haar. MOTION CARRIED. Public May Comment: Mr. Reid questions the allocation of sites by seniority. He suggested the Board consider a different way in 1991 and future years which might be more fair such as a lottery, possibly bid the sites for a dollar amount thereby making more revenue for the City.- Also Mr. Reid would like to see more variety in items offered by vendors than just food items. It was also suggested that perhaps more than one (1 ) vendor could be on a site but not with like items i .e. , hot dogs & pizza on one site or cookies and ice cream bars on one site. This would take a change in Rules and Regulations. The Board thanked Mr. Reid for his interest and good suggestions . Receipt of Communications/Petitions: NONE Request for Use of the Downtown Mall & Environs : a) Knights of Columbus - Tootsie Roll sale for Mental Retardation. Moved by Grady Porter, seconded by Bruno Tews to allow this sale. MOTION CARRIED. b) Holden Reid - Business extension (2) spaces. One in front of their store and one in front of Dimitri 's Restaurant. Moved by Bruno Tews , seconded by Michael Smith to approve this. MOTION CARRIED. c) Pam Fowler - 1 . Michigan Parades into the 21st Century - Saturday, May 12, 1990, 10:30 a .m. The 1st of 11 to the year 2000. Moved by Kathryn Haar to approve, seconded by Bruno Tews . MOTION CARRIED. 2. Downtown Lansing Art Festival - Thursday, June 15 & 16, 1990. 100 - 200 North Washington, 100 - 200 East & West Michigan. Moved by Kathryn Haar, seconded by Grady Porter to approve. MOTION CARRIED. PAGE 2 - DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS ADVISORY BOARD MEETING - 3/13/90 Request for Use of the Downtown Mall & Environs - CONT'D �. c) 3. Mini Grand Prix - Arthritis Foundation - evening of July 3, 1990, all day on July 4, 1990. There will be 25 to 30 cars, total weight allowed (.car & driver) 350 lbs . Fastest governed speed 25 mph. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Grady Porter to.approve. MOTION CARRIED. New Business: a) Annual Report of the Downtown Mall Advisory Board for 1989 has been submitted to R. Eric Reickel . Old Business: Parks and Recreation will be investigating the purchase of a bike rack for the South Capital Ramp. Mr. Wiley is recommending the heavy duty model at $288.00 rather than the economy model for $228.00. Motion of Excused Absences: John Decker, Phyllis Adams. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Grady Porter to approve these absences,. MOTION CARRIED. Remarks by the Director of Parks & Recreation or his designee: Mr. Wiley addressed the fact that the third year of the contract for maintenance of the Mall & Environs will be coming up in July, 1990. He will submit this proposal at the April meeting . Anderson Associates is requesting a 4% increase. Remarks by Board Members: Board members felt the maintenance company should be reminded to clean the empty store fronts as they need attention. Also the Board is concerned with the speed of the sweepers and plows. . It was reported that they are driven very fast - too fast when people are around. The crews are generally in the downtown store areas,.around 8 - 9 a.m. Mr. Wiley will contact Mr. Cool in reference to these concerns. Bruno Tews had to leave the meeting. Moved by Michael Sm Lth to adjourn the meeting due to a lack of a quorum. MOTION CARRIED. DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETIQY .----.--._-�_.—_-- C TUESDAY, APRIL 10, 1990 8:30 a.m. '90 NQU 9 AM 10 12 Meeting called to order at 8:30 a.m. by Michael Smith Board Members Present: Kathryn Haar, Michael Smith, Phyllis Adams, John Decker, Bruno Tews, Turney Gratz Others Present: Douglas Wiley, Walt Ransom, Michael Guasco, Beth London Approval of Minutes: Kathryn Haar moved , seconded by Bruno Tews to approve the agenda with the addition of the following: Add - approval of the letter that has been drafted to City Council expressing the various views on the recent petition addressing Downtown Mall vending and any other pedestrian activity on the Mall . Add - Request for Use - Li.sa Phillips - Women Police of Michigan Request for Use - Mr. Houser - Lions Club White Cane Drive Business Extension - Pat Reid - Capitol Centre - Multi item hot dog cart MOTION CARRIED. ( Receipt of Communications/Petitions for Informational/Referral : Received a copy of a petiition with one hundred (100) signatures submitted to City Council . Pat Lindemann brought this to the Board for a reply concerning this before the Council act' s on the Boards request on the Southside of the Mall . Michael Smith, after getting input from the Board, will be composing a letter to send back to R. Eric Reickel who will forward to City Council with his response. Request for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs : a. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Kathryn Haar to approve site selections #1 , 2, 3, and 6. MOTION CARRIED. b. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by John Decker to approve Pat Reid 's business extension contingent upon receipt of appropriate documents . MOTION CARRIED. c. Moved by Bruno Tews, seconded by John Decker to approve the Lions Club White Cane drive. MOTION CARRIED. d. Moved by Bruno Tews, seconded by John Decker to approve fresh frui.t sale to benefit retarded programs by Women Police of Michigan. DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETING - APRIL 10, 1990 (CONT' D) Page 2 C Request for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs - (Cont' d) Phil Dorland presented the minutes of which indicated that Tom Burns had not proceeded with the application procedure. Discussion followed. Mr. Wiley will send an application with a cover letter and welcome Mr. Burns to submit an application under new guidelines . A copy of this letter will be sent to R. Eric Rei'ckel . The minutes indicated that on August 13 , 1985, Kelly's extension was approved by the Board after a motion by Tom Cathey. November 5, 1985 Tom Burns had requested that Kelly's be abl.e to serve alcohol on the extension. This was never pursued after. Moved by John Decker, seconded by Phyllis Adams, to approve operations of two (2) vendors - Bob Gardner for March and April , 1990 and Todd Behovitz for April , 1990. MOTION CARRIED. Tabled Items: New Business; Old Business: a. Doug Wiley will continue to search for funds to purchase a bike rack for South Capital ramp. b. Discussion on South Mall modifi.cation to begin September or October 1990. Presented by Beth London and Walt Ransom from the City Transportation Division. Motion of Excused Absences: Grady Porter Public May Comment: Remarks by the Director of Parks & Recreation or his designee: a. Maintenance contract presented - Moved by John Decker, seconded by Kathryn Haar to approve the maintenance contract. MOTION CARRIED. Adjournment: Ii . LLi�f\ DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETINGBY: � � TUESDAY, MAY 8, 1990 8:30 a.m. 'go 10 12 Meeting called to order by Michael Smith at 8:40 -a.m. Board Members Present: Kathryn Haar, Michael Smith, John Decker, Bruno Tews , Turney Gratz, Grady Porter Others Present: Douglas Wiley, Tim Reid , Gary Brya, Pam Dowland, Mark Emmert, Janet Miller Approval of Minutes: Moved by Kathryn Haar, seconded by John Decker to approve the minutes from the April 10, 1990 meeting. MOTION CARRIED. Approval of Agenda: Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Grady Porter to approve the agenda with the following additions to Requests for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs: 1 . Kiwanis annual Peanut Sale 2. Fun for All Balloons vending 3. Tim Reid asking for a second cart approval for his business extension MOTION CARRIED. Receipt of Communications/Petitions for Information/Referral : Letter sent to Leonard Burns of Kelly' s Downtown with a copy of the minutes from the board meeting in 1985. Board members received copies in their packets . Request for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs: (a) Mike Guasco - food vending site #4 This had previously been approved by a phone vote and Kathryn Haar voted to make this unanimous. CARRIED. (b) Holy Cross School car raffle - Sell tickets for a 1989 Cavalier in conjunction with their festival June 1 , 2, and 3rd. All proceeds go to the school . They would sell tickets Saturday, May 12th and again May 22nd thru May 24, 1990 from 10:30 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. on Washington Mall with the exact site in Area #1 to be decided after Mark Emmert and Mr. Wiley make a selection. Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by Grady Porter to approve. MOTION CARRIED with Turney Gratz abstaining. (c) Kiwanis Club annual Peanut Sa.l.e - proceeds will go to Boys, Girls and Seniors activities in the area. Small: bags of shelled peanuts given in exchange for a donation. Forty (40) people- have signed up to pass out the peanuts and receive donations on Friday, May 11 , 1990. Moved by Bruno Tews , seconded by John Decker to approve this event. MOTION CARRIED. (d) Pam Dowland presented her idea to sell balloons by a person in a clown costume during lunch hours weekdays and at special events . The Board discussed the subject and thought this would be a real asset and add to the festivities in the downtown area. The Board will look into amendments that mi.ght: be needed and send a recommendation to R. Eric Reikel to present to the Mayor. DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS BOARD MEETING - MAY 8, 1990 PAGE 2 l Request for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs (Cont'd) (d) Possible this could .be tried on a trial basis, guidelines will need to be checked etc. , upon receipt of necessary paper work from Ms. Dowland. (e) Tim Reid from Capital Center -' 108 S. Washington Square who is approved to have one (1 ) hot dogcart as a business extension would like to have a second cart with ice cream out on his 108' frontage on nice weather days . Mr. Reid explained that Leons already has a cart and that a separate ice cream business is locating within the building. Necessary paper work will be turned in by the ice cream vendor when they are located inside the building. Tabled Items: NONE New Business: Mr. Wiley announced a Public Service meeting will be held on Wednesday, May 9th, loth floor, City Hall at 3 :00 p.m. regarding food vending on the mall . Michael Smith volunteered to attend this meeting to represent the Board. Old Business: Mr. Wiley said a purchase order had been signed to purchase a bike rack for the South Capital Ramp, with funds coming from Parks & Recreation. The bike rack should be. received and placed within the month of May. A call will be made, to persons in the Knapp Centre who had been asking for this rack to be placed in the downtown area . Excused Absences: Phyllis Adams Moved by Michael Smith, seconded by John Decker to adjourn. MOTION CARRIED. { LCQ. LJli:u -DOWNTOWN MALL & ENVIRONS-BOAR D'M�CIING BY: TUESDAY, AUGUST 14, 1990 8:30 a.m. ,90 NOU 9 An 10 12 Meeting called to order at 8:45 a.m. by Michael Smith. Board Members Present: Kathryn Haar, Grady Porter , Mike Smith, Bruno Tews , Turney Gratz Others Present: Tom Findley, Diane Brewer, Pam Dowland, Todd Behovitz, Phil Dorland , Janet Miller, Doug Wiley Approval of Minutes: Minutes of the May 8th, 1990, the last meeting held due to lack of quorum in June and July motion made by Bruno Tews , seconded by Kathryn Haar to be approved. MOTION CARRIED. Approval of Agenda: Moved by Kathryn Haar, seconded by Grady Porter to approve the agenda with the following additions to: Request for Use of Downtown Mall & Environs. a) Tom Findley - Boys & Girls Club - Duck Derby b) Elaine Johnson - Cross Cultural Black Child Institute -M&M Sale c) Diane Brewer, Phil Dorland - Capital City Riverfest - Maps , plans d) Pat Reid - Capital Center -Food vending space #8 Aug .31 - Sept.3 e) Ricard Melcher - Richards Snack Bar concession in Grandview Plaza- business ext. f) Capital Area United Way - Thermometer g) Pam Dowland - Balloon sales on mall Receipt of Communications/Petitions for Information/Referral : NONE Tabled Items: NONE New Business: a) Moved by Bruno Tews , seconded by Grady Porter to allow Boys & Gi.rls Club of Lansing to sell "Duck numbers" for Duck Derby to be held September 3, 1990. MOTION CARRIED. b) Cross Cultural Black Child Institute Moved by Turney Gratz, seconded by Grady Porter to allow sales of M&M candy to be set- up on card table in front of the Manufacturers Bank Friday, August 17 , 24, 31 , 1990. The sale of i.ce tea and Kool-Aid would be subject to approval of Ingham County Health Department. If approved by the Health Dept. the Board would have no problem letting that be sold along with the M&M candy. MOTION CARRIED. c) Moved by Turney Gratz, seconded by Bruno tews to approve Ri.verfest appli.cati.on as maps and plans state setup. MOTION CARRIED. d) Board recommended that Pat Reid make a new ap lication out to have site #8 (Shiawassee at Washington Mall for Haagen Daz� during the Gus Macker Tournament. e) Todd Behovitz requested the site at Grand and Michigan just for the Gus Macker Tournament, going back to his present site there after. The Board would vote yes on a permanent site relocation but no on a temporary site change. Todd choose .to stay in his present site. DOWNTOWN MALL & ENUIRO BOARD MEETING - AUGUST 14 , 199u PAGE 2 Net-j Business (CONT'D) f) Richard Melcher would like to sell hot dogs , popcorn, beverages as a business extension at the entrance of Grandview Plaza , in good weather. More information would be needed by the Board, also a letter from the Grandview Plaza building owner. A phone vote will be done when the necessary information and paper work become available. g) Capital Area United Way Moved by Grady Porter, seconded by Kathryn Haar to approve the annual placement of the thermometer at Washington Sq. at Michigan Avenue, in front of the First of America Bank. MOTION CARRIED. h) Pam Dowland - Wanting to sell balloons in connection with her flowers. Mall gui'deli'nes would need to be changed as they read handmade arts and crafts, flowers and foods. The Board can only say no approval at this time. There was discussion regarding - Special Event fees in the future; more policing of Downtown Mall & Environs; I.D. for vendors and solicitors on the Mall area to distinguish their approved actions . Mr. Wiley showed the Board a sample I .D. permit used by Ingham County. Discussion was held over the number of "non-profit" solicitors in the downtown area . In the future areas may have to be limited, times and numbers of solicitors limited . Motion of Excused Absences: Moved by Kathryn Haar, seconded by Grady Porter to excuse John Decker and Phyllis Adams from the meeting . MOTION CARRIED. Meeting adjourned due to Bruno Tews leaving therefore there was no quorum.