HomeMy WebLinkAbout2016 Park Board Minutes PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
January 13, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rick Kibbey,Veronica Gracia-Wing, Bryan Beverly, Rosalinda Hernandez, Paul Holland, Rita
O'Brien,James McClurken
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gib King
OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Kellie Brown, Board Secretary;Joe Duris, Old
Oakland Neighborhood Association (OONA); Caryn Coyle,Westside Neighborhood Association
(WNA), OONA, Saginaw Oakland Commercial Association (SOCA); Andi Crawford, Brittany
Gordon, Love Your Block Grants; Bruce Winters, Lansing Soccer Club;Jeff Potter, Lois Knight,
John Flaherty, Friends of Bancroft Park; Dennis Louney, Spicer Group;Jeff Lazaros-
CALLED TO ORDER: 7:06 p.m.
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA
Rick Kibbey added Bancroft Park under Old Business.
STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
None
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Veronica Gracia-Wing moved to approve the November 18, 2015 minutes as submitted; seconded by Bryan Beverly.
7 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Re-Naming Westside Park
Kibbey stated this has been before the Board a couple of times. The Board asked the Old Oakland Neighborhood
Association to talk with neighbors of Westside Park to see if there were any issues with re-naming this park.
Joe Duris sent out a survey to the neighbors and composed a summary.
Kibbey stated one question that was asked was should the park to be renamed be St.Joe Park instead of Westside.
What the neighbors were not aware of was there was a request submitted several months ago to rename St.Joe Park,
which the Board has already acted on.
Paul Holland moved to recommend this request to the Memorial Review Board. Bryan Beverly seconded the motion
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if there are any concerns with the proposed development of the park. Joe Duris stated
no there is not.
Brett Kaschinske mentioned the new guidelines passed at the November meeting regarding groups having funds for
plaques and there would be a plaque outlining details of the Wilson's.
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Paul Holland amended his motion to include the new guidelines pertaining to plaques. Bryan Beverly seconded the
motion. 7 yeas; 0 nays.
Motion carried.
Love Your Block Parks Projects
Andi Crawford, Neighborhood Resource Coordinator, stated Love Your Block is a high-impact service strategy that seeks
to connect the Mayor's office with community members in revitalizing their neighborhoods.The City of Lansing received
$30,000 from Cities of Service to implement Love Your Block.Three grantees have chosen to work in parks within their
neighborhoods which are Everett Park, Westside/Dunnebacke Parks and Edmore Parks.
Bruce Winters, Lansing Soccer Club, stated through Love Your Block funding Everett Park will have turf restoration and
fencing to prevent individuals from driving on the field, installation of Doggy Waste Station and Welcome Sign and
installation of security lighting on the shed. Activities requiring additional funding would include installation of 6 new
soccer nets and demolition of the the small parking lot to create more green space.
Joe Duris, Old Oakland Neighborhood Association (OONA) and Caryn Coyle, Westside Neighborhood Association (WNA),
and Saginaw Oakland Commercial Association (SOCA) presented their plan which would mark the trail and preliminary
building of trail, publish literature to the neighbors informing them and looking for support of this project,
installation of a bench and cement pad and installation of an 2,400 sq ft native wildflower garden adjacent to 1st trail
section. Activities requiring additional funding would be part of a larger project named the Point West Art and Trail
Project, install a trail around these two parks, install exercise equipment and benches around the trail and install an art
piece at Saginaw Point. They have raised $50,000 since September to start this project.
The final project is Edmore Park: Eaglevision Ministries/International Dreamcenter of Lansing. Love Your Block funded
activities include installation of a memorial pavilion, bbq, picnic tables, and two benches. Open park up to river with
fencing for the safety of children, remove tetherball pole, install one basketball hoop, Install additional lighting around
the park and fill the potholes in the parking lot. Activities needing additional support include installation of a floating
dock and complete re-pavement of the parking lot.
CONCEPT BASEBALL
Brett Kaschinske stated Jeff Lazaros saw Beacon Field and approached him about a baseball field with the same open
play concept.
Jeff Lazaros stated he loved playing baseball and likes the idea of open play without having to have a team.
He has met with Brett and spoken with Scott Dane from Beacon Field. Lazaros provided conceptual drawings from
Hobbs and Black.
The idea would be for individuals to free play with no fly balls or base running. Ferris Park would be a location to
consider north of Beacon Field.
Rick Kibbey inquired if Lazaros has spoken to the Lugnuts. He stated not yet.
Paul Holland inquired if this is for profit. Lazaros stated it is not.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if it is automated or does it require someone to be on site. Lazaros stated not at this
time, there is nothing mechanical that would require staff.
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Rick Kibbey stated the Park Board did the Master Plan this past year and recreation opportunities is part of that plan.
Brett Kaschinske inquired if there is a projected cost at this time.
Lazaros stated originally the concept was$600,000, but he has made modifications and scaled down the original version
so it could possibly be as low at$350,000. He should have a figure soon from Wieland Davco.
Kibbey suggested Lazaros stay in touch and work on the figures. Gracia-Wing suggested looking at other locations.
WILLARD AVENUE
Brett Kaschinske stated there is a potential opportunity for park land acquisition at Scott Woods adjacent to Mount
Hope Cemetery. This would be through a DNR Trust Fund Grant.
Kaschinske reviewed the parcel on Google Earth.
DNR grants are for the appraised value, with DNR providing 75%of the funds and the City matching with 25%, which is
available in the departments land acquisition fund account.
Rick Kibbey inquired if the request is to recommend purchasing the property. Kaschinske stated yes and the plan is to
maintain the parcel as natural land.
Rosalina Hernandez inquired the purpose to purchasing the property.
Kaschinske stated it would be to square up city parcels. Kibbey added to secure wetland area also.
Paul Holland inquired if the current owner clears the property, could the city buy the property for less.
Kaschinske stated there is no access to the property except through the abandoned right-of-way on Willard.
Veronica Gracia-Wing moved to apply for the grant and approve the 25% match.
Paul Holland amended motion to cap the city's investment at$15,000.
Veronica Gracia-Wing and Rosaline Hernandez both stated they do not want a cap placed on the purchase.
Jim McClurken inquired if it is worth debating for a few thousand dollars when there are few properties like this left.
Rosalinda Hernandez seconded the motion to apply for the grant and approve the 25% match. Parks Director would
bring this item back to the Park Board if the purchase price is over$50,000. 7 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried.
FORESTY REPORT
Kaschinske inquired if there are any questions on the report.
Rick Kibbey suggested the Board be notified quarterly on cuttings, storm reports,trends to watch for such as diseases,
and plantings.
Bryan Beverly would like to a see snow removal report at the end of the season.
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BANCROFT PARK
Kibbey stated he received a call from Pat Lindemann over the holidays. Pat stated he has won the court case, has
accepted the bid and the contractor is ready to go. Kibbey stated he has not seen the work schedule.
Kaschinske stated he has the work schedule he can forward to the Board.
Kibbey stated he wants the schedule made public.
Kibbey said the impression he received from Lindemann is there will not be changes made to the plan. The selection of
trees to be cut, the engineer does not have any issue with Board members going out to the review the trees to be cut.
Lindemann was not going to budge on the 10' paved road because it is needed for maintenance and security.
Jeff Potter stated the last time the Friends were here, Kibbey suggested a fact finding tour of the park, so the Friends
met on site and walked Park Board members through the park.
Potter stated he talked with Lindemann last summer and he pushed Lindemann who said he would make changes to the
plan if the Park Board asked.
Potter also stated he went to the neighborhood and did not find support for a paved road, extension of the golf tee and
there was no support for a sledding hill in the park.
Potter stated the community wants changes, there is no sense in paving the path or extending the golf tee and the
sledding hill should remain. If the brush was removed and the park was maintained police could get into the woods.
Potter stated if there is a suggestion from the Park Board, Lindemann would make changes. Potter also stated Brett
Kaschinske said he would support the neighborhoods request for changes. Kaschinske clarified that was not the case.
Kibbey said when the sledding hill issue came up the dirt from this project had not been moved.
Kaschinske proposed a sledding hill in Bancroft Park which would have benefits. He spoke with Jeff Potter and other
individuals in the neighborhood and they did not want a hill in the park on the playing field. We cannot keep the current
hill which goes into the pond.
John Flaherty asked when the plan first came about it was it realized Angel Hill would need to be removed at that time
or later.
Kaschinske stated it was realized immediately.
Potter stated all this was news to the group last March. Potter also stated the golf manager has said there is no need for
the golf tee.
Kaschinske stated he spoke with the golf manager and that is not his statement. Kaschinske clarified with Potter that he
was saying Parks and Recreation made up the move of the tee and wildflowers.
Potter stated Sue Eareckson and Sandy previously with the Friends group knew about this information but did not reach
out to the neighborhood.
Kaschinske stated the designs were brought to previous Board and Friends meetings.
The Bancroft neighbors vehemently do not want a paved road and want to preserve the nature of the path.
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Lois Knight stated the playground is pathetic and there is no pavilion in the park. They do not want a sledding hill but
would like a soccer field or basketball court.
Kaschinske inquired if there is interest in a sledding hill at Porter Park. Knight said that would be better.
Kaschinske stated the tees are being done on the front 9 holes to match the back 9 holes. Irrigation issues have to be
addressed when moving dirt on a golf course. The dirt will be used to level out the park, which may help solve the issue
of wetness along with repairing a drain line which was cut.
Potter asked to talk with Jason Croker, golf manager, about extenuating existing hills. Kaschinske said yes, speak with
Jason.
Veronica Gracia-Wing stated the paved road concept continues to come up and what can the Board do to get a
statement from Pat Lindemann that clarifies what, if anything can be changed.
Bryan Beverly moved that the Park Board send a letter to Pat Lindemann requesting a gravel road at Bancroft.
Veronica Gracia-Wing amended the motion to request in writing from Pat Lindemann what changes, if any, can be made
to this project.
Bryan Beverly stated clarification on the observation decks, 7th hole and paved road is what is being requested.
Veronica Gracia-Wing seconded the motion. 6 yeas; 0 nays
UPDATES
Kibbey provided articles from Ann Arbor regarding deer thinning.
INFORMATION
Accomplishments
A draft copy was provided. Final copy will be e-mailed to members.
REMARKS BY BOARD MEMBERS
Jim McClurken asked to add to the February agenda relocating the Windlord to downtown. Kaschinske asked for
dimensions before the February meeting.
ADDITIONAL
Dwight Washington stated he did not feel his comments were represented in the Master Plan. Kaschinske asked to
receive his comments to put on the February agenda.
Meeting adjourned at 10 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved February 10, 2016
PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
February 10, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rick Kibbey,Veronica Gracia-Wing, Bryan Beverly, Rosalinda Hernandez, Rita O'Brien,
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gib King, Paul Holland,Jim McClurken
OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Kellie Brown, Board Secretary; Dick Peffley,
General Manager, Calvin Jones, Wayne Lynn, Dave Bolan, Stephen Serkaian, Chris Knudstrup,
Lansing Board of Water and Light (BWL); Bob Ford, Landscape, Architect, PI9'nner3
,_.,(LAP); Liz
Roxberry, Executive Director, Fenner Nature Center; Dwight Washington; Nancy 1qa-hlow,
Eastside Neighborhood Organization; Becky Palmer-Scott, Phillip Lamourea4x-Jherpn Smith,
Helen Smith,Jeff Potter,John Flaherty, Friends of Bancroft Park; Dennis Loune.y,Spicer G.k:oup
CD ;
CALLED TO ORDER: 7:03 p.m. T,
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA ry
Brett Kaschinske added Ingham Trails under updates and Concept Baseball under old business
STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
Dwight Washington inquired about his request in the Master Plan for pursuit of diverse recreational activities. This was
added under old business.
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Bryan Beverly moved to approve the January 13, 2016 minutes as submitted; seconded by Rosalinda Hernandez.
5 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Central Substation BWL
Brett Kaschinske introduced the representatives from the Lansing Board of Water and Light and stated a public
announcement was made at 12 p.m. on Monday, February 8, 2016 regarding a new central sub-station located at Scott
Park.
Chris Knudstrup, BWL, stated with the planned closing of the Eckert plant in 2020 there is a need for a new power
station. Eckert currently supplies one-third of Lansing. The ideal location for the new substation would be south of 496
and Scott Park is located in the center of current lines.
Bob Ford, LAP, reviewed the history of the Scott Mansion and the relocation of the Jenison House to Scott Park and the
renaming to Scott Center.
Ford provided a PowerPoint presentation of the current property and conceptual layout of the new plan.
Cooley Gardens is protected by a deed covenant and cannot be included in this project; however, the sunken gardens
are proposed to be moved closer to Cooley Gardens to provide better access.
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Ford reviewed new access points of entry into the gardens and new walkways that will be ADA accessible. He described
new views of the river and gardens from the walkway.
There will be a fishing dock and platform from the existing River Trail on the south side of the river with ADA
accessibility.
Ford reviewed the addition of the recreation loop, allowing individuals within REO Town a place to walk as well as the
wall "fagade" with art work and columns entering REO Town.
The southeast corner would have an access door into the plant and the entrance of the walkway with a sign laid into the
brick directing visitors to the gardens.
The southwest corner would overlook the river and River Trail.
Ford provided a list of current activities at the facility and the proposed extended list of activities and amenities.
There will be a public charrette on February 23, 2016 at 6 p.m. at the Depot in REO Town, 1201 S. Washington.
Rick Kibbey inquired if the new sunken gardens would be above or below the steep slope; Ford replied above. Also is
the access Washington above or below; Ford stated it is at grade. Is the Women's Historical Center covered by the same
deed restrictions; Ford stated no.
Rosalinda Hernandez inquired if there is a design of the inside of the plant; not at this time.
Bryan Beverly inquired if this represents one-half of the Eckert plant, and if so where is the rest going to be and what is
the available parking going to be versus what is currently available.
Ford stated currently there are 45 parking spaces and there will be 43 with the new plan. Chris Knudstrup stated there
are plans for plants on Verlinden and MLK south of the river.
Brett Kaschinske stated he met with the Garden Club on Monday and they are not pleased with the garden being
moved. He inquired if they would be willing to maintain the new garden and if not,the department and board will need
to discuss if it can be kept or not. Kaschinske will have a follow-up meeting with the Garden Club.
Bryan Beverly inquired about the location of the access door and the walkway and safety issues.
Chris Knudstrup stated the BWL only visits sub-stations once a week and if there were major work needed involving
more trucks and traffic, they would place a flagman on site.
Rita O'Brien inquired about the noise and disturbing the gardens.
Chris Knudstrup stated current transformers for this type of area are purchased with low volume; they do have fans on
them but will only run occasionally. Dave Bolan stated the traffic from 496 would be heard more than the transformers.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired about the plans for the Scott House.
Brett Kaschinske stated there are three options that will be put out to bid; one will be to move the house,the second is
to reclaim the wood, doors, windows, etc. and the third option is to demolish the house.
From the audience a question was asked about other locations and placing this underground.
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Chris Knudstrup stated BWL looked at sites on the north and the south, but this plant needs an entire city block. The
price and current location of the lines were deciding factors. Placing equipment underground is extremely expensive,
plus the BWL does not have technology to do so at this time.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired outside of the charrette on February 23 and speaking with the REO Town population, are
there other charrettes planned; Ford stated not at this time.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired about a time line.
The plan is to break ground this fall and the project will take two (2)years.
Rick Kibbey inquired about the view from Fountain Place apartments. Ford stated the building is 10 stories high, in the
summer there will be a canopy of trees blocking the view and in the winter the visibility inside the plant starts at the 7tn
floor of the apartment building.
Bob Ford said the existing riverfront and bank will remain.
Dick Peffley stated in some cases presentations and designs are made to the public, however when the project is done
the design can be entirely different. However, he guarantees, unless something changes with the February 23 charrette,
this substation will be as it was presented this evening. His last two projects in REO Town pertaining to the BWL offices
were built as presented to the public and so will this project.
Brett Kaschinske stated this is not an action item this evening. The Board will need to act at the March meeting to
amend the City's Master Plan to un-dedicate this land unless they wish to do so this evening.
Rick Kibbey recommended waiting to act on this at the March meeting.
Rick Kibbey thanked the BWL for stepping in to assist with the Flint water issue and helping with the replacement of the
pipes in Flint.
The audience applauded and thanked the BWL for their work on this project and bringing it to the public for discussion.
The presentation answered several questions and it is appreciated the work that went into the design to make it
appealing to look at.
Red Cedar(MontgomerV Drain)
Dennis Louney, Public Affairs Representative,Spicer Group, stated his purpose for being here this evening is to layout
the process and timeline for the Montgomery Drain,
In December the DEQ approved Part 301 Inland Lake and Stream Impacts and Part 303 Wetland Impacts to work in the
flood plain. In January, Drain Commissioner Lindemann signed paperwork providing him 60 days to obtain easements.
Paperwork is due to the clerk next week and on February 22, 2016 this will be before Council to refer to the Parks and
Planning and Development Departments.
Dennis Louney stated he would like to bring this before the Park Board in March. Once approved by the boards, it will
go back to Council and Committee of the Whole for approval.
Football Complex
Brett Kaschinske stated we have been talking with Mid-Michigan Youth Football (MMYF) and the Jr. Quakers. MMYF
currently plays at several locations, Risdale Park, Southside Schmidt Community Center and St.Joe Park.
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What would enhance this program is what you see in the suburbs, which are youth fields with bleachers, restrooms,
scoreboards and the ability to separate spectators from players.
This program is made up of mostly Lansing minority youth.
Rick Kibbey inquired what will happen to the Jr. Quakers with the sale of Eastern High School.
Dennis Louney has a history with the program and he believes they may talk with Lansing Catholic Central.
Bryan Beverly stated there is a portion of the school property which will be repurposed.
Brett Kaschinske state he met with Bob Johnson, Planning and Neighborhood Development who deals with community
development block grant(CDBG)funds. He has worked with Bob Johnson and Risdale Park fits the CDBG requirements.
Brett Kaschinske reviewed the map and layout of the facility. The project is out for bid at this time and the plan is to
complete by fall. If the cost comes in too high, the project may be done in stages.
Bryan Beverly asked why Risdale and not St.Joe Park. Kaschinske stated St.Joe is not CDBG eligible, plus St.Joe was a
tight area to fit the complex into with St.Joe Road, McPherson Street and the train tracks.
Rita O'Brien inquired if it will affect the community gardens at Risdale. Kaschinske stated no.
Dennis Louney commented to be sure the league has appropriate officials, insurance and security and to secure it in
writing.
Brett Kaschinske stated meetings have occurred and included the Parks Department, MMYF leadership, Lansing Police
and Faith Based Initiative.
OLD BUSINESS
Bancroft Park
Brett Kaschinske stated the Park Board sent a letter to the drain commissioner, Pat Lindemann. A response was
received today which consists of 121 pages of documentation.
Rick Kibbey stated since this was received today and it is 121 pages, he does not want to discuss it tonight, but would
like discussion to take place between board members via e-mail.
Rick Kibbey wants to be there when the trees are cut and encourages board members to attend also.
Rosalinda Hernandez said according to her conversation with Pat Lindemann, there are 7 trees which will need to be cut
and 4 of them are dead. He also stated for every tree removed he would replace with 3 new trees.
Brett Kaschinske stated our Forestry staff will be meeting with Pat Lindemann and Brian Cenci from ENG regarding the
trees and various diseases.
Rick Kibbey stated in March the Board will have the benefit of Mr. Lindemann's comments and he is looking for a joint
understanding between the board and friends. He wants a shared opinion with the friends and hopes we can take Pat
Lindemann's word as final.
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Rita O'Brien referred to the friend's statement that they do not want the path paved. She read Mr. Lindemann's
statement found on page 8 of his response:
"To clearly state my position I will not be changing the design of this project which was agreed upon by the Lansing Park
Board, Lansing City Council, the Mayor of Lansing and hundreds of participating citizens through public hearings, one-on-
one meetings, small group meetings, meetings at citizens homes, dozens if not hundreds of phone conversations. This
design does represent the will of the people. It is not in the best interest of this park to change the design which will
broaden the protection of the park while allowing many more residents to enjoy it."
'1 have received comments from many people who had a part in the public input on this issue in the past. They were
pleased with the outcome, they want a paved path. They told me that they feel hurt and brushed aside by Mr. Potter's
statements that no public input took place. I told them that their concerns would be mentioned in my letter back to you.
Veronica Gracia-Wing stated from what she has read, she does not see what else the Park Board can entertain.
Becky Palmer-Scott stated she is concerned with the removal of Angel Hill because it is a landmark and the only sled hill
in Lansing with a name.
Brett Kaschinske stated a proposal was made to move dirt from the golf course into Bancroft Park and create a new hill;
however the friends rejected the proposal. There are other hills on Groesbeck to sled.
Rita O'Brien and Veronica Gracia-Wing made reference to page 77 of Mr. Lindemann's response which states:
"As a result of the proposed expansion of storm water control and wetland mitigation areas, to improve water quality
and create a more diverse aquatic ecosystem, the sledding hill downslope area will be reduced. The hill could still be used
for sledding but the length of the run will be reduced by about one-third."
Phillip Lamoureaux mentioned the possibility of putting a hump at the bottom of the hill to slow down sleds.
Jeff Potter inquired if the path could be 5 or 6 feet instead of 10 foot. He also mentioned Donna Timm went door to
door in the neighborhood and 59 of the 60 people she spoke with are against paving the path.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if when she went door to door was it simply a yes or no question or was supporting
documentation presented.
Bryan Beverly stated he hopes the friends have found an empathetic ear. The Board has met on site and has voiced
concerns to Mr. Lindemann. There was a process and for better or worse,this is what we have. Since this project
started,there have been changes within this board and within Council. The Park Board will continue to advocate and we
are looking for solutions, however the plan is the plan.
Jeff Potter stated he spoke with Mr. Lindemann in the summer and Lindemann stated he would consider changes to the
plan if the Board made the suggestions.
Bryan Beverly stated there is a considerable amount of due diligence in Mr. Lindemann's report and though he does not
care for the phrase, he must admit it is what it is.
Concept Baseball
Brett Kaschinske stated this was presented at the meeting last month and he would like to know from the Board if there
are any sites they are opposed to.
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Veronica Gracia-Wing recommended sharing the wealth since Beacon Field is already at Ferris Park.
Brett Kaschinske stated it could go at one of our youth baseball sites, or one of the adult baseball sites and the only
community center it would fit would be at Gier Community Center.
The pluses for Ferris Park are the homes face the park and there is traffic which helps with visibility and security. The
neighborhood also embraces projects.
The current cost estimates are higher than expected, around $400,000.00. This project would have to be funded similar
to the way Beacon Field was.
Kaschinske inquired if the Board wants to discuss here tonight or via e-mail.
Bryan Beverly inquired if there have been conversations with the Lugnuts.
Kaschinske stated he would like to talk with Scott Keith from LEPFA.
Rick Kibbey asked for sketches of the facility in a couple proposed parks.
Diverse Activities
Brett Kaschinske read the January minutes where he asked Dwight Washington to receive his comments to put on the
February agenda. Kaschinske stated he did not receive any information from Mr. Washington, but feels the proposed
football complex fits with the Master Plan on providing diverse recreational opportunities.
Zipline
Brett Kaschinske stated this is on the Development and Planning committee agenda for tomorrow,Thursday, February
11, 2016.
Ingham Trails
The recommendations from Mannick Smith are still in draft report form, but the link has been sent to board members
and can be shared with neighborhood groups.
Meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved March 9, 2016
PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
March 9, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rick Kibbey,Veronica Gracia-Wing, Bryan Beverly, Rosalinda Hernandez, Paul Holland, Rita
O'Brien,James McClurken
MEMBERS ABSENT: Gib King
OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Kellie Brown, Board Secretary; Billie J O'Berry,
City Attorney Office; Paul Pratt, Pat Lindemann, Ingham County Drain Commission;Tim Inman,
Dennis Louney, Spicer Group; Brian Cenci, ENG Engineering; Dick Peff ley, Stephen Serkaian,
Wayne Lynn, Calvin Jones, Dave Bolan, Chris Knudstrup; Lansing Board of Water and Light
(LBWL); Chris Stralkowski, Ferguson Development; Loretta Stanaway; Cristy Bennett, Lansing
Garden Club; Melissa Quon Huber;Todd Heywood;Jim Perkins; Dwight Washington
CALLED TO ORDER: 7:00 p.m. by Vice President Gracia-Wing
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA
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None
STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
None—will be on agenda items ='
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Bryan Beverly moved to approve the February 19, 2016 minutes as submitted; seconded by Jim McClurken.
6 yeas;0 nays
Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Pat Lindemann, Ingham County Drain Commissioner, stated the Montgomery Drain has been a planned project since
1995 and it is close to being done. Lindemann presented a slide show on the amount of water,type of water, pollutants,
etc.from the Montgomery Drain. In order to complete this project there are three (3) easements required from the City
that need to be approved by the Park Board; one is a conservation easement required by the DEQ and two easements
are for access.
This project and development will create 1,500 to 2,000 permanent jobs.
The Clean Water Act of 1972 is federally mandated and requires the water be cleaned and eliminate discharge of
pollutants.
Drainage into the Montgomery Drain comes from Lansing Township, East Lansing, Lansing, and the highway department.
Water from US127 goes directly into the river with all of the pollutants.
This project is partially funded by two grants; one is the Stormwater, Asset Management, and Wastewater(SAW)grant
for$1.3 million dollar(which is confirmed) and the other is a state MDNR grant in the amount of$500,000 that is
awaiting confirmation.
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The system is meant to capture, slow down and treat water. Free board is based on old terminology but is still used
today to refer to the storing of water.
In order to complete the drain project, there need to be projects built on Ranney and Red Cedar Parks. Lindemann
reviewed conceptual drawings of the ponds, paths, hills, and proposed development sites. All the dirt removed will be
added to the sledding hill at Ranney Park. The plan with the sledding hill is to face it north to avoid melting of the snow
on sunny days and prolong the sledding season.
Lindemann stated for every tree they remove for this project, three new trees will be planted. This land is not buildable
and the developer will need to build a flat surface called a plinth, which is a support surface 1 to 2 feet above the 100
year flood plain.
Lindemann stated he cannot move forward without the easements. He currently has easements for Ranney and Red
Cedar Parks, but they need to be expanded to support this project.
Lindemann provided copies of the easements. This needs to go back to the Planning Board and be approved before
March 28. The conservation easement secures wetlands remain and are maintained for perpetuity. The DEQ will
monitor to ensure this is being done.
Rick Kibbey stated on page 6 of outline of the project,the Mayor's name is spelled incorrectly.
Brett Kaschinske inquired about mowing in the area and who would be responsible. Lindemann stated he does not plan
to mow the snow hill in the summer, it is best to keep the grass on the hill. Kaschinske stated we currently mow a path
in the middle for hill running. Lindemann stated there will be several varieties of ornamental grass used to avoid the
need for mowing all areas as well as provide foliage for animals and prevent soil erosion. Other grasses will be used to
provide a strong root system and prevent erosion. Lindemann stated his crew will mow the required areas, and the
engineer will be working with a botanist. Lindemann also stated his intention is to provide snow removal.
Rick Kibbey stated there are three (3) easements. Lindemann stated he provided a resolution which includes all three
easements.
Lindemann stated language may be added to the resolution to include mowing. Lindemann stated he would also like to
discuss with Kaschinske trash receptacles and pickup as well as lighting in areas at night for crews who may need to
respond to an emergency.
Kibbey confirmed there are three (3) easements, Lindemann stated yes and the resolution includes all three to act on at
once.
Kaschinske inquired about the parcel numbers and are they reflecting the entire parcel or easement area.
Brian Cenci, from ENG Engineering, referred to the plan agreement and the drawings of the proposed easement area.
Bryan Beverly moved to approve the easements as presented; Paul Holland seconded the motion. 7 Yeas; 0 Nays
No further discussion by the Board.
Motion carried.
BWL Central Substation
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Loretta Stanaway read from a Facebook post regarding this project and opposition to the destruction of the Scott Center
and Sunken Gardens. She also commented that with the list of items on the agenda this evening, it appears there is a
fire sale in the Parks Department and if this continues to properties that were donated, people will not donate in the
future.
Rick Kibbey stated this donation came after Mrs. Scott tore her house down. This is the Jenison House which was moved
to the property and it has not been used for a decade. The department is not equipped to maintain vacant property and
the gardens fell into disarray and have only been maintained the last few years.
Stanaway stated there are a lot of people who have used the garden in its current location.
Kibbey stated the drawings he has seen would bring the river and the garden into public use. We have a property
inaccessible to the public and it has sat vacant for years.There is a proposal for a new use which has an economic value
for downtown and for recreational property.
Stanaway pointed out who let the building fall into disrepair and who was responsible for it.
Bryan Beverly inquired about an update from the Lansing Garden Club.
Brett Kaschinske stated he met with the Garden Club at the charrette and there is a member here this evening.
Communication and discussion continues with the Garden Club regarding this project.
Cristy Bennett stated she is the current President of the Garden Club. This was a shock to the group, they learned about
this project the morning of February 8 before it was announced publicly. They have met with representatives from the
Board of Water and Light. They have maintained the gardens since the 1980's. There have been a handful of members
who have maintained the gardens. There is a meeting next week which is the monthly Garden Club meeting and Brett
Kaschinske and Bob Ford will be there to present plans, designs and answer questions. The Garden Club Board met and
they are going to ask if the garden could be located to another site. Kaschinske stated yes.
Kibbey asked about information on the sunken garden.
Cristy Bennett stated some of the original plants still exist. The garden was created by Mr. Scott in the 1930's. As he
traveled he brought plants back from all over to plant in the garden. Bennett showed pictures of the garden from the
1980's before they took it over and what terrible shape the garden was in from drought and neglect.
The Garden Club has questions and they would like to see the opportunities that are possible. She mentioned this issue
has received attention at the state level.
Kibbey stated across the parking lot is Cooley Gardens that had a seasonal staff working there and it was a show piece.
That employee retired and now that garden needs attention. Bennett stated the Garden Club is not interested in
maintaining Cooley.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if there was a position at the state level. Bennett stated no there is not.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired about a succession plan for the group and the next generation. Bennett stated there is
no plan.
Melissa Quon-Huber stated they put surveys out on line and preservation of the house is important and the public is
willing to pay more to put the substation underground. The stakeholders were not informed and this project was
rushed. The Park Board should be asking difficult questions and there is a negative feel toward the Board. Also,the
relationship with the LBWL has gone backwards.
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Dwight Washington stated is it valuable to listen to the public.
Josh Reasoner inquired about alternate locations, what the limitations are, cost to LBWL customers for additional funds
for the project.
Bryan Beverly asked for a response from LBWL.
Chris Knudstrup stated the LBWL did review alternate locations. They started with General Motors 2 years ago. They
thought they were making progress, but far into the negotiations corporate representatives from GM stepped in and
said there were plans for the site. LBWL discussed other sites for GM, included the Mayor and received the same
response that their sites were off the table.
Knudstrup stated they looked south by the generator plant, which would remove homes from the tax roll and displace
residents. The Deluxe Inn site is not large enough and would require going east into the Main Street apartments. The
Seventh Day Adventist site, which is on the other side of 496, would require transmission lines over 496 and is further
away. They also looked at repurposing the Eckert Plant, which is in the flood zone, would require lines under the
railroad and a protective berm.
Paul Holland inquired after Eckert is decommissioned what the plans are.
Dick Peffley stated it is set to be shut down in 2020 and the plan is to work with LEAP for redevelopment similar to what
was done with the Accident Fund.
Dick Peffley stated a 1%rate increase generates approximately$4,000,000 in revenue annually.
Paul Holland inquired about the second best location which is the Seventh Day Adventist site, but that would also
remove two historic sites and costs more.
Melissa Quon Huber stated the two year planning process should have been put before the public.
Dick Peffley stated that is hard to do, because the LBWL becomes a hostage in negotiations and the cost of the property
increases.
Steve Serkaian stated they have met with Preservation Lansing and LBWL committed to paying to have the house
moved. They are committed to working with the Garden Club to move or relocate the garden.
Loretta Stanaway inquired about the height of the wall, which she heard was 40 feet. Chris Knudstrup stated the walls
are 20 feet, but could be as high as 40 feet on the river bank due to the grade.
Jim McClurken referenced the Facebook post and knows it costs money to preserve an old home and the City could ask
for a private individual to take over. He has not been in the house and it should be appraised for damage and the cost of
removal.
McClurken stated there is not enough information to review at this time and he cannot vote.
Gracia-Wing agreed that there is not enough information to vote and shares the sentiments tonight and is not
comfortable voting this evening.
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Paul Holland stated is has spent several years involved in REO Town and the amount of work to make improvements in
the area. He is not categorically opposed to this, it is a big hurdle and he appreciates the work in the design to make it a
recreational area also. Before going forward he would like to see financials for other sites and the costs to the
customers. LBWL has been in discussion with REO Town. He would like to see the wall brought down to a human scale
to incorporate a recreational aspect such as bikes or canoes to interact with the public.
Paul Holland moved to table this matter for a month until more information can be presented. 7 yeas; 0 nays to table
this matter until the April meeting.
Motion carried.
Board would like a real appraisal cost, provide a walk through, financials for the alternate sites, marginable costs, costs
amortized and costs to the LBWL customers.
The Board would also like a report on the outcome of the meetings with Preservation Lansing and the Garden Club.
Sale of Willoughby
Tabled until April meeting
CIP Budget
Brett Kaschinske sated list of CIPP projects for the 2017 Fiscal Year need to be submitted prior to the end of the month
for budget.
Paul Holland inquired is the splash pad is replacing the pool. Kaschinske stated the splash pad can go anywhere in the
city and we have heard both sides from the neighborhood regarding a splash pad at Moores.
This is not an action item requiring a vote. Board members are provided 5 selections to put on their recommendations
from the list; this could be 1 selection on five items or all 5 selections on one project. Since this does not require a vote
and in the essence of time, please e-mail your recommendations to Kellie no later than Friday, March 18.
Windlord
Jim Perkins provided background information on the Windlord sculpture, provided a letter from the sculptor and
presented a slide show of photos of the sculpture, condition, current location, and proposed new site at the traffic circle
at Washington and Michigan Avenues.
Riverfront Park was a temporary location and the base has been repaired but has begun to deteriorate. The sculptor has
stated after so many years he is willing to pick up this project and move the sculpture to the originally planned site.
Kibbey inquired about the cost to move the sculptor. Jim stated it would be minimal because it is on a separate
foundation so it would be similar to moving a car.
Bryan Beverly inquired what the next steps are.
Jim stated if the Park Board would like to do this, it would go to the Mayor and there would need to be community fund
raising by a private party.
Brett Kaschinske stated may need to look at the State requirements since this could be a trunk line.
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Rosalinda Hernandez stated she is not comfortable with the "spirit" aspect and it being in the center of downtown.
Jim McClurken would like a resolution to move forward at the next board meeting. He would act as the liaison between
the Park Board and private parties.
McClurken wants to put together a letter and the pictures for the next meeting for a vote.
Meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved April 14, 2016
PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
April 13, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rick Kibbey,Veronica Gracia-Wing, Bryan Beverly, Rosalinda Hernandez, Paul Holland, Rita
O'Brien,James McClurken, Gib King
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary; Al Salas; T.
Lamb; Margaret Robbins;Jenny Bond, Phyllis Irwin Grace Fauqulter, Barbara Lowes, Garden Club
of Lansing; Bob Ford, Landscape Architect Planners; Dick Peffley, Chris Knudstrup, Calvin Jones,
Lansing Board of Water and Light (LBWL); Hillary Walilko, Ashley Barten, REO Town; Albert
Manning; Michelle Hoffman;Jody Cramer; Darrell Joslyn;Joe Vitale; Mary Mulie; Brittany
Gordon; Liz Laurich; Rawly VanFossen;Susan Epple; Mary Kiener; Bell Potter;Jean Schultz; Diane
Wing; Millard (Art) Hasbrook; Lynn Hershberger; Sarhon Burton; Karla Barber; Natalie Molnar;
Loretta Stanaway;Joey Latterman; Mort Mattson;Judith Filice; Nancy Finegood; Wynne Potter;
Stephanie Whitbeck; Nancy Mahlow; Ryan Wert;Jana Nicol; Melissa Quon Huber; Eric Stinson;
Dave Womboldt; Diane Sanborn
CALLED TO ORDER: 7:10 p.m
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA
None
STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
Rick Kibbey explained citizen comments will be limited to 3 minutes and if there are no new agenda items from the
audience public comments will be received on agenda items when the item is presented.
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Paul Holland moved to approve the March 9, 2016 minutes as submitted; seconded by Rita O'Brien.
8 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Bryan Beverly made a motion to move items B and C under New Business up on the agenda before item A since these
items were tabled at the March meeting due to lack of time; seconded by Veronica Gracia-Wing. 8 yeas; 0 Nays
Motion Carried
Loretta Stanaway stated she reviewed the process and this is not the appropriate process. Rick Kibbey stated he is
trying to move through the agenda this evening.
Bryan Beverly stated the reason the Board is trying to move through the agenda this evening is because the last two
meetings have been three hours and the Board is trying to take care of business that has not been addressed.
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Willoughby Park
Brett Kaschinske stated this is property is located in Delhi Township, but is City of Lansing property that is 70 acres with
50 acres of it being dedicated parkland. The property is heavily wooded and not does have any features such as play
equipment. At this time there are no interested buyers and Delhi Township is not interested.
This item is on the agenda tonight to receive approval from the Park Board for sale of the property and to move forward
to place the item before May 10 to Council to receive their vote to place this on the August ballot for a vote by the
public.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if there has been an appraisal.
Judy Filice stated Willoughby Park is full of tall trees and she is disappointed Delhi Township is not interested in the
property. This is expansive space for trees and flowers.
Statement was made this is a direct example of neglect. This and Scott Gardens are both issues that cannot be rushed.
The items listed out for Willoughby Park are not sufficient and votes cannot be made quickly on park decisions.
James McClurken stated tonight the Park Board is being asked to vote on this item and to send this to the public to vote
and make a decision.
Loretta Stanaway stated this property is not usually under water and children use it to play.
Nancy Mahlow stated we need to stop disposing of green space.
Veronica Gracia-Wing stated Lansing is a small city with minimum economic means and we need to base conversations
on reality.
Rick Kibbey stated there is considerable pressure to sell and a few board members (past and present) have surveyed
every park and there has been land added to the parks system, especially waterfront property.
Bryan moved to table this item until more information or a plan is presented to the board, Veronica Gracia-Wing
seconded. 5 yeas; 3 nays.
Motion carried
Park Hours
Item tabled until May meeting.
LBWL Central Substation
Lynn Hershberger recited a statement from Maya Angelou. She stated the Park Board talks about quality of life every
millage vote and that statement is rhetoric. Why not use abandoned property or vacant industrial sites,the Scott family
left this property with the intention it would be a park for perpetuity. The city will suffer from this action.
Sharon Burton stated she moved to Lansing from Ann Arbor in 1972. She started Elderly Music and understands the
renovation and upkeep involved with historic buildings. The Garden Club has maintained the garden for 30 years and at
their meeting last week they discussed making this a better garden and their willingness to take care of it if it stays
where it is at. They may not be willing to make that commitment if the garden is moved.
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Carla Barber stated she has been a resident for 45 years and has volunteered at Scott Garden. The Garden Club has a
history which started in 1980 when the garden was in the state of disrepair. She is bothered the public is not having the
opportunity to vote on this and would like to see BWL negotiate with General Motors.
Natalie Molnar stated she lives in the Moores Park neighborhood and she supports REO Town and supports the
improvements. She lives across from the Eckert Plant and looks forward to its closing and green energy. She is a single
mother and cannot afford increases to support spending more money on another site.
Loretta Stanaway provided a list to the Park Board and read the list of her statements.
Joey Latterman spoke on behalf of the Scott family and remembering her grandfather, the garden and the Scott
Mansion. Preservation of green space is to entice visitors to Lansing.
Joe Vitale from Preservation Lansing stated he cannot support this and neither can many other groups. Neighborhood
organizations are starting to reform. He read an article from Lansing State Journal from 1977. He feels this decision is
being made by non-citizens of Lansing.
Mort Mattson stated he was a Lansing Community College employee for 45 years and he supports historic preservation.
He discussed buildings in the area that have been reserved and those that have been destroyed.
Judy Filice stated in 1982 General Motors wanted Cooley Gardens and it was saved. The area includes Cooley Gardens,
Scott Sunken Garden and Women's Historical Center. Many groups have used the Scott Center over the years and she
does not why this site was chosen and would like to hear from BWL.
Nancy Finegold read a letter written urging BWL to find an alternate location. Gardens may be viable for the historic
register. A 1996 assessment states the house is sound and the sunken garden dates back to the 1930's and moving it
would damage the integrity of the garden.
Wynn Potter is part of the Scott family. Grandson visited the garden a couple weeks ago and she read his statement
regarding the history of his family, the garden and how this was given as a gift with the plan it would always be
treasured. Scott Woods was the bird sanctuary of Mr. Scott and this decision is disrespectful to the family.
Stephanie Whitbeck stated this is green space in the middle of houses that have been torn down. This decision is not
following the rules of the Master Plan. She reviewed a list of 117 properties that are on the City Assessor's that are
owned by BWL not the City of Lansing and this is being called a change of use, but BWL are owners of property.
Eric Stinson stated he is a former employee of the City and was the gardener at Cooley Gardens. He spoke in favor of
this plan. The history of Cooley dates back to 1979 and he was a founding member of the Friends of Cooley Garden.
This plan involves people and money and he has not heard anyone talk about forming a group to save this and work on it
so you cannot not just say"don't want it to happen".
Nancy Mahlow stated there is property across the street. To build it on the current site of the Eckert Plant would cost
more because of the flood plain, however there are projects being built at Red Cedar Park which is also the flood plain.
Ryan Wert is the Executive Director of REO Town Association. The REO Town board voted unanimously to support this
project. BWL respects the work of the Garden Club and have set up a 3 year RFP for art to welcome people to REO
Town. This will be good for the REO Town corridor.
Janna Nicol stated she have lived here since 1993. A week ago she set up an on-line petition to save the house and
garden and has received over 1,000 signatures. She provided the list to the Park Board.
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Melissa Quon-Huber opposes this project and stated it is not the role of the Park Board nor is it the vision for the parks.
This process sets a dangerous precedent and the level of transparency is questionable.
Dave Wolmboldt stated he has lived in Lansing since 1947 and this property is not grand anymore. There is nothing
historic about the house and building the substation will help more people than is here in this room tonight. Wolmboldt
addressed the staff in attendance from BWL and advised them not to let people bully them into building in the flood
plain.
Diane Sanborn stated there is historic value to the home and she understands there has been an offer to buy and
restore the home.
Steve Serkaian, Executive Director of Public Affairs at Lansing Board of Water and Light, thanked the members of the
audience and applauds those against this project for their passion. The BWL is here tonight to urge the Park Board to
support this project. The BWL compared 7 sites and Scott Park is the most viable. Eckert would increase the cost of the
new substation by$13,000,000 and would also delay the closing down of the coal fired plant 7 years. BWL has held 12
meetings, met with Preservation Lansing and are providing up to $100,000 to move the Scott Center if a qualified buyer
is found. They are also meeting on a regular basis with the Garden Club.
BWL has identified a way to move the niche, pool and use stones from the stairs to reassemble in the new garden to
preserve the gardens integrity.
BWL accepted Park Board President Kibbey's proposal to establish a $40,000 endowment for the garden.
BWL has met with REO Town Business Association for an RFP for art projects. This is$20,000 every three years for as
long as BWL owns the substation. They plan to move the wall back to create more sidewalks and pocket gallery to
create more open space.
The City Charter does allow this process because BWL is a sister entity and no money will be exchanged.
The house is going to be moved, preservation of significant portions of the garden will be done and the plan will improve
Parks and Recreation amenities. Serkaian hopes the Park Board accepts these changes.
Bob Ford, Landscape Architect Planners, presented a PowerPoint show on the study, sites, and design. He reviewed
issues if the substation was built at the current site of the Eckert Plant, reviewed the plans for Scott Park and the
proposed recreational activities.
Gib King inquired what the plans are for the Eckert Plant.
Dick Peffley stated BWL plans to work with LEAP to redevelop the property.
Gib King inquired if there could be a stipulation by BWL that any redevelopment project for the Eckert site would receive
as much thought and design that has been put into this project.
Dick Peffley was careful to answer this but would certainly try as they did with the development of the new Accident
Fund site.
Jim McClurken inquired why the Eckert site could be considered for redevelopment but not for the new substation site.
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Bob Ford stated due to vertical impediments, such as walls,that would exist if the substation was planned for the Eckert
site and the DEQ would most likely not allow permits, where redevelopment would be lower and built to allow water
flow.
Jim McClurken inquired about the redevelopment at Red Cedar and the use of plinths.
Bob Ford stated this is floodplain and the Red Cedar development is back from the floodplain and is in the floodway.
Paul Holland moved to amend the resolution that was presented this evening to include an additional bullet point in
the eighth WHEREAS to say"Lansing Board of Water and Light will prioritize recreational opportunities East of the
substation subject to operational restraints";seconded by Rick l<ibbey. 6 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried
Gib King asked to go on record that BWL stipulates with any redevelopment project for the Eckert site that as much
effort to revitalize the site would be taken as with this project to ensure access, scenery, recreational activities,
preservation and conservation.
Rita O'Brien inquired the life span of the Scott substation.
Dick Peffley stated 50 years.
Rita O'Brien inquired what the plan is if the substation is decommissioned. Dick Peffley stated the lines are underground
and would always have to be maintained.
Rita O'Brien inquired if the footprint would fit on the property across the street to the east.
Dick Peffley stated no, the apartments would need to be removed, cables would need to be removed and part of the
property is in the flood plain.
Bryan Beverly inquired about the cost to move the steam pipe which is under the drive into Scott Park which moving it
would allow to move the substation to the west and away from the garden area.
Chris Knudstrup did not have a figure but estimated it would cost in the millions.
Bob Ford stated that move would also separate the gardens, causes inaccessibility, projects shade onto the garden and
there would be no parking.
Rita O'Brien inquired if it is possible to redesign the substation to fit the property across the street.
Jim McClurken stated is the minority opinion. The resolution was tabled at the last meeting; however the content is the
same:
BWL stated they have held meetings however people were not aware
Garden Club does not want the garden moved
Preservation Lansing wants green space
Michigan State Historic Preservation Office has written letters
Petition with over 1,000 signatures against
Feels BWL is providing options to get people in their favor
This should go to the public for vote
Paul Holland moved to accept the resolution as amended to move to Council, seconded by Gib King
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Paul Holland stated given the benefits to the property, river access and REO Town Association's support.
Gib King reiterated Paul's statement. Opposed to the loss of green space, but is in favor of enhancing the river and
lessoning the financial burden on the community.
Veronica Gracia-Wing supports minority opinion of James McClurken.
Rita O'Brien opposes the plan but is in favor of the protection of green space and the river front. $13,000,000 is a lot of
money to keep the Eckert Plant but it would keep green space and Scott Park as public land.
Gib King stated this is another page in history. Fifty years ago is different than today and 50 years from now will be
different.
Rosalinda Hernandez stated she has been to community meetings and she has heard a repetitive statement from
citizens that they cannot afford rate increases.
The motion on the table made by Paul Holland and seconded by Gib King to accept the resolution as amended and move
to Council is approved with 5 yeas and 3 nays.
Motion carried.
UPDATES
Countywide Trails Millage—grant applications are due at the end of the month. This is for paving projects which is 10.2
miles
Lansing Boat Club Property—application has been submitted to the DNR
Montgomery Drain Easements—these are currently before Council
Budget Hearing—Parks presentation is Wednesday, April 20 at 5:10 p.m. at Foster Center
Community Guide Distribution—Summer guides are available
Meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved May 11, 2016
PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
May 11, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rick Kibbey, Veronica Gracia-Wing, Bryan Beverly, Rosalinda Hernandez, Paul Holland, Rita
O'Brien,James McClurken, Gib King
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
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OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Kellie Brown, Park Board Secr�f, Todd
Hargett; Kyle Peterson; Win Stebbins; Steve and Carol Roll;Judith Filice; MillarcI44asbfook; 'tom
Loretta Stanaway; Egypt and John Krohn; Bryce Reizen;Jody Washington: Phillip(Pmd eux
CALLED TO ORDER: 7:02 p.rn
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA
Veronica Gracia-Wing added under updates Minority position regarding amendment of the City's Master Plan regarding
Scott Park; Brett Kaschinske added under old business Windlord Sculpture and under updates remove Montgomery
Drain easements and add DNR meeting on Chronic Waste Disease. Paul Holland added under new business Board Rules
of Procedure. Gib King asked to add Grand Fish Rodeo under updates.
STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
Win Stebbins inquired about the River Trail being closed off and will the steps be reconstructed.
Brett Kaschinske stated for the county wide millage we have submitted paving project grants and at the end of this
month bridge work grants will be submitted. Repair work is being requested instead of complete replacement in some
areas and the we are looking into using the funds to replace the south steps and repair the north steps. This proposal
will be submitted at the end of the month.
Judy Filice inquired if the county millage money for trails will address the issue on Cambridge Road and Frances Park,
Brett Kaschinske stated he has talked with the county and this is on the expansion list. Kaschinske recommended
sending him a letter or e-mail, also contacting the Friends of the Lansing Regional River Trail and County Commissioners.
Judy Filice stated this is a safety issue.
Judy Filice also asked for clarification on what she heard about the Sunken Gardens moving to Frances Park. Kaschinske
stated that is not the plan, but it had been a suggestion.
Judy Filice clarified that there have not been any changes regarding Scott Park from what was presented at the April
Park Board Meeting. Kaschinske stated that is correct.
Millard Hasbrook spoke about Scott Park and the history of the area, recreational opportuntiies, access to Washington
Avenue and the Women's Hall of Fame needed Scott Center to store archives. Hasbrook also discussed having students
restore Scott Center while practicing a professional trade.
Loretta Stanaway strongly encourages not to vote to dispose of Willoughby Park. She commented about the use of the
park and read a statement similar to last month about the Board's duties.
Bruce Reizen supported the opinions of the audience to keep the park.
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Rick Kibbey stated in 2008 the economy was bad and the City was laying off officers and firefighters and the task was put
to the Park Board to determine if there were too many parks. A survey was conducted by Board Members at the time
who visited every park to review recreation opportunities, wetlands, amenities, etc and what we needed to keep and
what the City could dispose of. Willoughby was one of the parks considered, as was Red Cedar for development and
Waverly due to the fact it was outside the city.
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Bryan Beverly moved to approve the April 13, 2016 minutes as submitted; seconded by Gib King.
8 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Ranney Park
Todd Hargett stated he and Kyle Peterson are here to present ideas for Ranney Skate Park. Hargett stated he has been a
resident for 25 years and is speaking on behalf of the extreme sports community. Ranney Park has outlived its potential
and for current sports needs to be revitalized. They are asking for permission from the Board to make changes to
Ranney. Hargett is a project manager for Granger Construction and Peterson is a fabricator. This would be done by the
extreme sports community and there would be no cost to the City.
Kyle Peterson provided a brief slide show of examples of fabricated work created by individuals who would be involved.
Brett Kaschinske inquired if there are other parks where features have been added and what the effects have been.
Bikes are now allowed at Ranney and any added features would need to be bike friendly. Also, how long would the park
be out of commission during the upgrades? Also need to consider ages, skill levels, etc.
Rosalinda Hernandez inquired about liability.
Brett Kaschinske stated what is currently in place at the park is approved for insurance purposes.
Rita O'Brien inquired if they are working with the current users.
Gib King recommended speaking with the individuals who previous presented to the Board and requested bikes be
allowed.
Todd Hargett stated yes, he is involved almost on a daily basis and is friends with Trek Vandercar and he is aware of the
bikers.
Board asked for a proposal with plans and ideas. Recommended Hargett and Peterson speak with Team Pain who was
involved with the original design of the skate park to determine what may be added.
Willoughby Park
Carol Roll stated she first heard about this in an article in the City Pulse. She has visited the park and it is really woods,
not a park and that is how it needs to be viewed and reserved. It is critical we reserve one-half of the land we have and
it does not need to serve but simply exist.
John Krohn asked for a presentation from the Parks Director to provide the audience with information.
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Brett Kaschinske stated the parks that have been put before the public to vote on have been on the periphery of the
city.This parcel has dedicated and undedicated park land areas. There is no appraisal at this time; the City does not
have an appraisal done until the land is ready to sell. Currently the portion in the City of Lansing is assessed at$175,000
and the portion in Delhi Township is assessed at$116,000 for a total of$291,000.
Delhi Township is not interested in purchasing the land. Kaschinske reviewed the elevation levels and stated he is not
aware of any wetland designation. The land currently does not have any amenities, such as play equipment, parking,
paths or picnic tables. There are sidewalks north of Willoughby, a church to the south and a housing development on
the northwest side in Delhi Township.
The City does police the area and public service does take care of any tree obstructions, however in a natural area such
as this any fallen trees are left.
Gib King inquired who is proposing the sale.
Brett Kaschinske stated as an administration we have looked at evaluating all properties, access properties and the
Financial Health Team has been involved in this recommendation.
Jim McClurken stated the economy has improved since 2008 when the survey was done and the City has had a budget
surplus for the past three years. The situation has changed and that needs to be considered. McClurken referred to the
Master Plan, page 67, and recited the language regarding natural areas.
Rick Kibbey stated there are about a dozen parks on the list that were considered excess.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired what other wooded areas we have.
Gib King inquired what the money from the sale would be used for.
Brett Kaschinske stated per the City Charter/Ordinance, typically money from the sale of park land is used for park land
acquisition.
Gib King stated selling of park land can be a determent when applying for DNR grants.
Rick Kibbey stated for years money from park sales goes to park land acquisition and the Board has been ferocious about
defending that.
Jody Washington stated parks are not just for people, but parks are also for ecological purposes. Lower economic
households need park land because not everyone has large yards for their kids to play in. Washington does not agree
money from park sales goes back to parks. The money from the sale of Red Cedar may be used to offset costs.
Judy Filice addressed Rick Kibbey's comment and stated Lansing Parks was created for natural beauty. For more than
100 years, the Parks Department has been stewards of public land. The City and Park Board need to work in cooperation
with other municipalities and organizations rather than sell property.
Win Stebbins stated his father received the land from the state and donated it to the City. This land is heavily wooded,
is an oxygen provider and an area of exploration for youth and adults. This land was donated and if it is sold it would set
a bad example for future individuals who may reconsider donating land to the City knowing it could be sold.
Loretta Stanaway stated there have been several families in the city who have donated and future philanthropists will
not continue to give. She reiterated the Park Board's job is to work for the people.
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Egypt Krohn stated there is very little invasive species and there is nice diversity.
Steve Roll stated he walked through the property and wonders how many years did it take to develop into the natural
area it is today. Neighbors are also concerned about property value if this land is no longer a park.
John Krohn stated there is an excellent ecology system, mature canopy and varying underlying vegetation. This is the
nicest wooded area in Lansing. Fenner is nice but is nothing like this piece of property.
Gib King stated the forest has value. If lumbered properly, it could bring revenue to the city and could bring in money
under conservation grants.
Veronica Gracia-Wing stated she is unsure how to proceed to remove the sale of Willoughby Park.
Rita O'Brien stated instead of selling the property could we look into working with a conservation organization.
Gib King stated to remove the sale on the open market.
Paul Holland made a motion to proceed with the sale of Willoughby Park and recommend the sale to Council to proceed
with the process to place the sale on the ballot. Seconded by Bryan Beverly.
Vote to proceed was as follows: Rick Kibbey, no; Paul Holland, yes;Veronica Gracia-Wing, no; Rita O'Brien, no; Gib King,
no; Jim McClurken, no; Brian Beverly, no; Rosalinda Hernandez, no. 1 yea; 7 nays
Motion to proceed with the sale of Willoughby Park failed.
Park Hours
Brett Kaschinske stated the current ordinance states the parks close at 10 p.m. Our signs all indicate park hours as dawn
to dusk and he would like to change the ordinance to match the signs.
Paul Holland inquired about the River Trial hours.
Brett Kaschinske stated the trail goes through an Ingham County Park, Delhi Township and the City. He would want to
work with the other jurisdictions on hours for the trail. Chief of Police stated his officers will use discretion for those
using it after dark and whether they are using it for transportation or loitering.
Veronica Gracia-Wing inquired if there is interest regionally.
Brett Kaschinske stated there is discussion and concerns at this time.
Bryan Beverly moved to amend the City Ordinance to have park hours read dawn to dusk. Seconded by Paul Holland. 8
yeas; 0 nays.
Motion carried.
Park Rules
Brett Kaschinske stated the Park Board voted on the change regarding quorum in November 2015. The language in red
are the changes by the attorney.
Paul Holland moved to change item 8 and item 11 to read as follows:
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4 8.The Park Board shall schedule at least one regular meeting each month, usually on the second Wednesday of
the month. Meetings will normally begin at 7:00 p.m. and may be held at the grzatt Heuse G;ty4all or ether an
appropriate locations decided by the Board.The date,time, and location of each meeting shall be posted in
accordance with the Michigan Open Meetings Act.
-11. All meetings of the Park Board shall be open to the public.Those in attendance shall have the opportunity to
speak on any issue related to parks and recreation services not otherwise on the agenda at the beginning end of
the meeting and may speak on any agenda issue during the meeting after park board members have had an
opportunity to address that issue.The President may impose a time limit on public comments. wheR the audieR-1-
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Seconded by Bryan Beverly. 8 yeas; 0 nays
Motion carried to approve Park Board rules as amended.
OLD BUSINESS
Windlord
Jim McClurken stated at the March meeting a presentation was made regarding the facts on the Windlord and
moving the sculpture to the intended location at the traffic circle on Michigan and Washington. McClurken provided
copies of proposal.
Jim McClurken would like to create an Ad-Hoc Committee to raise funds to move the sculpture from Riverfront Park
to the traffic circle. He is asking the Park Board to make a resolution to allow fund raising for this project. He would
serve as the Board's liaison. The Park Board would be asked to create a bank account to receive the donations.
This step is finishing a 40 year old project.
Veronica Gracia-Wing moved to proceed with the proposal. Rick Kibbey seconded. 7 yeas; 1 nay
Motion carried.
Paul Holland inquired about creating the account and didn't the Board already have an account.
Brett Kaschinske stated that is the millage account and cannot be used for this purose.
UPDATES
Minority Report
Veronica Gracia-Wing presented the following report and asked that the minutes reflect this report is being sent to
Council:
To:Lansing City Council, Lansing Planning Board
From: Veronica Gracia-Wing,lames McClurken, Rita O'Brien, City of Lansing Park Board
Re:Minority position regarding amendment of the City's Master Plan allowing the
Board of Water and Light to build on Scott Park
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The Lansing Park Board voted on 13 April 2016 to recommend that the Lansing City Council amend the City's
Master Plan. This amendment will allow the Board of Water and Light to construct a power substation on river
front parkland. It will remove Scott Park from the city park inventory permanently, require the destruction of
the Scott Sunken Garden, and will result in the moving or destruction the Jenison (also commonly known as the
Scott House) House which is a structure of historical merit. While the Park Board approved the recommendation
before it by a 3-5 vote, the Park Board minority believes that this recommendation is contrary to the strong
opposition of Lansing citizens. The minority Park Board members wish formally to voice their own
recommendation that the Lansing City Council oppose transfer of Scott Park to the Board of Water and Light.
The Park Board minority opposes this reclassification because:
• it violates the intent of the original donors of the property,
• it removes park property from the city inventory without a vote of city residents;
• it destroys historically significant features; and
• it is contrary to the strongly stated position of many Lansing residents.
The original donors of the property, the Scott Family, gave this property to the City of Lansing as a parkland.
They believed this property would be preserved as a park in perpetuity.Although there is no clause in the original
deed to the city that would restrict the use conversion or sale of the property, the Park Board has protected the
property from development in the 1960s and 1970s based on the Board's understandings regarding terms of the
bequest. Those understandings were expressed in person by the grandchildren of the property donors who attended
the 13 April 2016 hearing.
The Park Board minority believes that the proposed conversion of parkland to industrial use will deter
other potential donors who might bequeath property to the city. The Park Board minority believes that the
transfer of this property from public parkland to industrial use should only be completed after a referendum by
Lansing voters. The City argues that no referendum is required to transfer this parkland to the Board of Water
and Light. The logic for this position is that only a sale of parkland requires public referenda, and the transaction
before the Park Board would only transfer use rights from one city department to another. The Park Board
minority acknowledges the logic of this position. However, the effect of transferring parkland to the Board of
Water and Light for industrial use is the some as a sale. The transfer permanently removes river front parkland
from the parks inventory and turns the property into another industrial site. If a referendum is required to
determine the will of Lansing voter for terminating the status of parkland by sale, it should also be applied to the
termination of parkland by bureaucratic devices.
The construction of a Board of Water and Light power substation at Scott Park will cause the destruction of two
historically significant structures. The Scott Sunken Garden and the Jenison House have been determined by
Preservation Lansing, Michigan Historic Preservation Network, and the State of Michigan Historic Preservation
Office to have significant historical value and, thus, are worthy of preservation. The most important of these
structures is the Scott Sunken Garden. This structure is determined by the three groups named above to be
worthy of National Historic Register status. While the Jenison House is likely not worthy for this national
preservation status, the historic connection of the Jenison's with Lansing history, the size, style and historical
context of the home make it a candidate for preservation.
Board of Water and Light planners state that they have heard preservationist requests and that their
compromise of creating a new sunken garden to the west of their proposed power station and
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$100,000 toward moving the Jenison house mitigate the damage cause by their project. However, once the
garden is destroyed, it is gone and its historic value along with it. A new park that incorporates elements of the
original garden is simply a new park in a new place. Further, while the Board of Water and Light is willing to
appropriate$100,000 to move the Jenison House for a "qualified buyer,"the BWL has not defined "qualified
buyer"and cannot say how much money moving the house to a new site will actually cost. In the past,
structures of greater historical significance than the Jenison House have been destroyed because the cost of
moving them exceeded the amount appropriated for their move. The Park Board minority do not find either of
these proposals suitable substitutes far leaving the structures in place.
Park Board supporters of this project have stated that the reclassification of this land will take a "woefully
underused"park and commit the land to a more useful purpose. The Park Board minority take exception with
this statement. We reviewed no evidence showing who uses or does not use Scott Park. This position uses
overblown rhetoric to justify their position. The Park Board received support for preservation of this park from
hundreds of people who learned about the planned project only one month before the 13 April 2016 Park Board
meeting. Preservation Lansing presented the Parks Board with a petition signed by a thousand people, 523 of
whom live in Lansing, urging us to oppose reclassification of Scott Park. Scott Garden has been tended by the
Lansing Garden Club for more than thirty years. These gardeners have invested their time and treasure in Scott
Garden even when the City of Lansing did not. The Lansing Garden Club asked that this park be preserved.
Lansing residents spoke thoughtfully and respectfully to the Park Board at the 13 April 2016 meeting. The
speakers opposed destruction of Scott Park by more than three to one. The speakers were supported by a large
crowd who shared their views. Three speakers approved of the Board of Water and Light plan. Given the strong
support for maintaining the park and its structures, and the strong history of dedicated service show in
maintaining the park, the Park Board minority does not concur with the majority position that the park is
"woefully underused"and can thus be converted to an industrial site.
Board of Water and Light representatives have stated that locating the power station at the site of current
Eckert Power Plant would add$12.5 million dollars to the cost of their program. The implication of their
statement is that the cost is prohibitive. At the same time, these representatives expressed their excitement at
the prospect of repurposing the Eckert Power Plant for redevelopment. The Ottawa Street Station, a similar
structure which occupied a more favorable location in the city, was closed for twenty years and costed$182
million to renovate. By comparison, $12.5 million dollars is a small cost to spend on a power substation at the
site. Further, BWL representatives stated that building the power substation at the site of Eckert Power Plant
would delay closing the existing power plant by seven years. The parks board minority points to the many BWL
delays in closing the Eckert Power Plant that have come before this proposal. We find additional delays
inevitable and believe that other factors besides saving Scott Park will create additional delays. We find the BWL
arguments concerning additional cost and delays unconvincing.
The Parks Board majority believe that preserving Scott Park will ultimately increase the cost of power
generation, in effect, raising costs for Lansing consumers. The Parks Board minority share the majority concern
about cost. However, the role of Parks Board members in this process is to protect park property that can be
preserved as natural areas and used for recreational purposes. We believe that small and reasonable cost
increases, which are inevitable under any plan before the Lansing City Council, cannot be the major deciding
factor when determining the future of Lansing Parks.
The Park Board minority respectfully present this statement of our opposition to the reclassification of Scott
Park. We recommend that the Lansing City Council direct the Board of Water and Light to build the new power
station on the site of Eckert Power Plant.
Respectfully submitted May 13, 2016
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Countywide Trail Millage paving grants were submitted last month and bridge repair grants will be submitted at the
end of this month.
Budget Hearing Parks budget was presented last month and it went well.
DNR Meeting The DNR will be holding a meeting at Foster Center on June 1 at 6 p.m. to discuss CWD and the
options available.
Grand Fish Rodeo Gib King provided information on the upcoming event
Meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved June 8, 2016
PARK BOARD MEETING
Foster Community Center
October 12, 2016
MEMBERS PRESENT: Veronica Gracia-Wing, Rick Kibbey, James McClurken, Rosalinda
Hernandez, Rita O'Brien, Paulette Carter Scott
MEMBERS ABSENT: Bryan Beverly, Gib King
OTHERS PRESENT: Brett Kaschinske, Parks and Recreation Director; Zachary Russell, Intern
Parks and Recreation; David Potts and Natalie Molnar, Moores Park Neighborhood Ssocia#ion;
Jodi Washington, Councilperson
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CALLED TO ORDER: 7:06 p.m CD
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ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA
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STATEMENTS OF CITIZENS
BOARD MEETING MINUTES
Jim McClurken moved to approve the September 14, 2016 minutes as submitted; seconded by
Rick Kibbey.
NEW BUSINESS
Introduction — Paulette Carter-Scott
Welcome Paulette Carter Scott. Ms. Carter-Scott was initially looking at other boards to serve
on, however after reviewing the issues the Parks is involved in she preferred the diversity of this
board.
Ms. Carter-Scott stated she likes to read, she is interested in continuing to learn and considers
herself a listener. She is now taking health more serious and playing golf in a league at
Groesbeck.
Moores Park
Representatives from the Moores Park Neighborhood Organization (MPNO) were present;
David Potts, Treasurer and Natalle Molnar, President. The MPNO held 3 vision sessions for the
park. They discussed what are the current uses, what are possible uses and what are the
current needs. They realize the pool needs to be discussed. Natalie distributed a prioritized list
from the neighborhood and also top recreational activities in the park. This park is the reason
why many move to the neighborhood. Work with the current Community Police Officer (CPO)
has went very well for policing issues. Erosion is a big issue for access to the park from the
road and erosion from the riverbank. There are a lot of invasive species in the riverbank and
tash issues from people fishing. New trees also need to be planted
Maintenance of the historic stone, which dates back to 1920, needs work. MPNO met with a
person who submitted a quote for walls (name will be emailed). Estimate for the stone at the
pool and retaining walls was $300,000 $156,800.00. Neighbors are concerned about costs from
the city and inflated costs.
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This is the last Wesley Bintz pool and MPNO wanst to preserve the pool and use it as a pool.
They looked into grants and historic networks and could not find enough funds for all of the
issues. They need about $1 million dollars for renovating all of this. Go Fund me will not raise
enough money. If it cannot be a pool the neighborhood wants to keep the structure. They want
to talk about the history of the pool. The Pool was closed several times throughout the summer
of 2016 due to a shortage of lifeguards.
Possible other uses discussed were an outdoor amphitheater for theater and concert use;
other natural water feature or water garden; skate park was an option but not highly thought of
by neighbors; and keeping the pool for future development of the Eckert Plant. MPNO provided
a conceptual plan with a walking trail. No loop, people do not like walking about visibility of the
river area.
Rivertown Crossings are leading a large amout of trips and they need an improved launch area
and avoid driving across the grass. Recreation activities are listed in priority level. Fishing is
number one. Bathrooms are a concern and having the facilities open. Rivertrail is a main
reason for people to move in, as well as canoe, kayak and pavilion. Access to the pavilion is
poor and larger parties drive up to the pavilion and park on the grass.
Residents are concerned about the crumbling nature of the building, so repairing the existing
structure is the first priority. Based off a quote from 2016 it would be $300,000 to repair the
stonework.
In the summer of 2015 visioning assessments were held to discuss the park. They want to see
the community engaged in the process. There were questions about whether the community
could do some work like cutting branches themselves. Brett says that the Department would be
willing to work with the community if there were volunteers who wanted to do that.
The neighborhood association is not in favor of a splash pad. They are concerned about
increased traffic and they wanted to maintain the historic value of the park and pool. They also
don't want trees removed, and would even prefer more trees to be added to replace those that
have fallen.
There has been discussion about basketball courts. Some people in the community are not in
favor of the courts, but the majority is and they would like them moved to a more well-lit location
than they currently are.
The next steps are decided that the neighborhood association will be given an adopt-a-park
form so they can become more engaged in the process. The Parks Department will need to look
at issues of accessibility and the other plans that were brought forward. Paulette raises the
question of what is mentioned in the five year plan regarding Moore's Park, and extension of the
river trail has been brought up in it.
The board wants to ensure that the community has enough of a volunteer base and is willing to
become involved moving forward, and they are happy with the steps that have been taken so
far.
Groesbeck Entrance
There are three options presented for a new entrance and clubhouse for Groesbeck. The
current clubhouse cannot host large events like many golf courses, and there is concern about
the safety of the entrance and exit to the course.
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The plans from the packet are reviewed. There are differences in the price and type of plans.
Some include just fixing the entrance and exit problem, while others include building a new
clubhouse as well.
There is discussion about where the money would come from. There is a golf fund and any
extra money needed beyond that would come from the Capital Improvement Budget.
A new clubhouse has been presented before, but there was no business plan. Rick states that if
they present the idea for a new facility, he would like to see a business plan as well. Then there
is discussion about the current operation of the food and beverages, which is run by LEPFA.
Jim agrees a banquet facility would be good, but is concerned about the money coming from the
parks budget.
There is discussion about the current contract with LEPFA and where the revenue goes. The
board requests to see the current contract with LEPFA, as well as the current balance of the golf
fund, and revenue numbers. The board would also like to see another option for the clubhouse
that just includes expanding the current building.
The topic of traffic is brought up and how the entrance and exit would be placed. There are
concerns from Jim and Rick about putting a road through the park. Jodi Washington says that
she knows residents of the neighborhood would not want a new road put through the park, and
she has not heard complaints about the current traffic to the golf course.
Veronica requests that Brett bring alternatives to the options presented, as well as the other
things requested from the board to the November meeting. She also requests that the board do
their due diligence in preparing questions so they can make a recommendation in November.
Practice Golf in the Parks
Brett received an email complaining about someone practicing golf in the park, and there was a
concern over safety. Brett requested some research on current golf rules in parks, and found
that Grand Rapids and East Grand Rapids have golf prohibitions in their parks. Brett doesn't
have too many concerns because it has only been one complaint and there seems to only be
one person practicing; so possibly someone could just intervene instead of having to write a
law.
UPDATES
Windlord
Jim says that there was a meeting to talk about repairs to the sculpture and since that meeting
the artist has come to Lansing and discussed options. There were two options for the
placement; the gateway to the city by East Lansing seemed to be the preferred option. There
was also the idea of a fountain proposed and the artist liked that idea. Planning has already
been done for repairing and placing the statue, and donors have been secured to cover the
cost.
Rules of Procedure Amendment (New Business)
Veronica is proposing a change to the rules of procedure to make them match the agenda,
because the two do not currently match. This change would revise point 11.
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There is discussion over the fact that the rules were just recently changed, and questions as to
why they would be changed again. Veronica says she had a misunderstanding about it and she
will research to present a new proposal. There is some discussion about whether public
comment should be in the beginning or the end. Veronica wants to read the previous minutes
regarding the change so she can better understand it to make a proposal.
Chronic Wasting Disease
Brett says there has not been a meeting yet to discuss it, so there are no updates.
Bancroft Park
There has been a request from the Friends of Bancroft because the loop is in bad shape. Brett
is proposing a new entrance and preventing people from driving the loop, because there has
been an issue with dumping. A no dumping sign has helped some, but it has not completely
solved the problem.
The walking paths would continue to be paved, but there would be a gate system that prevents
cars from the driving through the park. Rita says that she has heard nothing but good things
about the walking path and preventing cars would make it safer. There are some concerns
about where the playground would be moved, and flooding there. Brett believes they have found
the main issue of the flooding, but it is something they will look into.
Remarks
Question for Brett about sycamore creek; they did have a cleanup day but it has not been
completely cleared.
Move to adjourn at 9:16 pm
Respectfully Submitted: Kellie Brown, Park Board Secretary
Approved November 9, 2016